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Old 03-14-2012   #121
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If I were the Browns, I'd be more worried about my QB situation.

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2 Detroit Lions 37
3 Atlanta Falcons 36
4 St. Louis Rams 34
5 Philadelphia Eagles 33
6 Green Bay Packers 32
7 Baltimore Ravens 31
8 New York Giants 30

If I were the Browns, I'd focus on the WRs/TEs/RBs, and maybe the oline.

Not to mention next year class is deep and I wouldn't be surprised if Barkley become as good or better than Andrew Luck. They need to focus on other positions before they ruin another QB.
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I think I would need the 22. Tate is a good back, but Foster is the guy. And I feel pretty confident that there is a back out there in the draft in rounds 4-7 that could turn into a solid number 2.
65 nails it again. #22 & 26 allows us to fill two needs or trade up for one super good guy.

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40 Time: 4.44.
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3/12/12: Turbin is a sleeper prospect who has some speed and is extremely strong. He showed that off with good speed and strength at the Combine. In 2011, Turbin averaged 6.1 yards per carry with 1,517 yards rushing and 19 touchdowns. He caught 17 passes for 171 yards and four scores as well. In 2009, Turbin broke out with 1,296 yards and 13 touchdowns. He missed the 2010 season because of an injury. Turbin is put together well and is an elusive runner.
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65 nails it again. #22 & 26 allows us to fill two needs or trade up for one super good guy.

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3/12/12: Turbin is a sleeper prospect who has some speed and is extremely strong. He showed that off with good speed and strength at the Combine. In 2011, Turbin averaged 6.1 yards per carry with 1,517 yards rushing and 19 touchdowns. He caught 17 passes for 171 yards and four scores as well. In 2009, Turbin broke out with 1,296 yards and 13 touchdowns. He missed the 2010 season because of an injury. Turbin is put together well and is an elusive runner.
We'd find a way to take 22 and 26 and move DOWN for 2 2nd rounders and an extra 3rd. Some stooped **** like that, I'm sure.

I don't want Gary getting an extra 1st rounder and wonder how to use it. I mean, that's like having the ball at the opponent's 5-yard-line and we've got three downs to score a TD--Gary finds ways to eff it up. Oh the things he can do with three downs and only 5 yards to go!

And if we use both the 22 and 26 to move UP...we'd probably draft the next Travis Johnson or Amobi Okoye. That idea has bad mojo written all over it.
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We'd find a way to take 22 and 26 and move DOWN for 2 2nd rounders and an extra 3rd. Some stooped **** like that, I'm sure.

I don't want Gary getting an extra 1st rounder and wonder how to use it. I mean, that's like having the ball at the opponent's 5-yard-line and we've got three downs to score a TD--Gary finds ways to eff it up. Oh the things he can do with three downs and only 5 yards to go!

And if we use both the 22 and 26 to move UP...we'd probably draft the next Travis Johnson or Amobi Okoye. That idea has bad mojo written all over it.
Damn, you've done a good job recently of fooling me that you had confidence in the FO unit this post.
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We'd find a way to take 22 and 26 and move DOWN for 2 2nd rounders and an extra 3rd. Some stooped **** like that, I'm sure.

I don't want Gary getting an extra 1st rounder and wonder how to use it. I mean, that's like having the ball at the opponent's 5-yard-line and we've got three downs to score a TD--Gary finds ways to eff it up. Oh the things he can do with three downs and only 5 yards to go!

And if we use both the 22 and 26 to move UP...we'd probably draft the next Travis Johnson or Amobi Okoye. That idea has bad mojo written all over it.
lol nah this draft too good in first 15 to not hit if a trade up and we should get quality @ #22 and either OLB Perry or my choice Vinny Curry @ #26.

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Damn, you've done a good job recently of fooling me that you had confidence in the FO unit this post.
LOL. Gary scares the hell out of me. You give him TOO much rope, and he hangs himself. Give him just the right length and he finds a guy named Arian Foster. It's the craziest damn thing I've ever seen.

They'd find a way to eff up a situation of having two first rounders. Bill Belichick knows how to pull it off, I don't think Gary could. Not yet.

I don't want Derrick Ward being RB1 if/when Foster gets banged up and can't play a Sunday or two. Give me Tate and let the dude eat up yards with authority.
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lol nah this draft too good in first 15 to not hit if a trade up and we should get quality @ #22 and either OLB Perry or my choice Vinny Curry @ #26.

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#26 OLB Vinny Curry
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4th C/OG Phillip Blake
5th RT Josh Ogelsby
6th LG Lonnie Edwards
7th FB Chad Diehl
I'd be sort of OK if he played it cool and drafted at 22 and 26. Then we'd feast in Round 2 like we always do, and have THREE stout prospects. Not to mention a guy or two in the remaining rounds that might be gems.

They'd have to give us 22, though. And I don't think they would. I think they believe they NEED that 22nd pick at all costs. That's where I think Gary might get stoopid on us...taking less than he should or taking a FUTURE 1st rounder when we need one n-o-w.
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I think it would take a swap of 22-26, their 2nd this year and a 3rd next year to get Tate from me.

Edit: Either that, or #4 for Tate + 26. Not gonna happen.
I would consider taking a swap of 22 for 26 and their 2nd round pick very seriously. There's a chance we could get Decastro with 22 or if not we could get Zeitler with their second.

All of this is based on us loosing Breisel or Myers.
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Within two days, we went from having the luxury of selecting best player available to having several needs to fill. We need draft picks.
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The sad thing is that the Browns have a huge need at RT, and had we held on to Winston, we probably could have sent him and Tate to Cleveland for #22 and a late round pick. If Winston Justice is tradeable, even for a pick swap, Eric Winston certainly would be worth a 3rd or 4th.
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4 St. Louis Rams 34
5 Philadelphia Eagles 33
6 Green Bay Packers 32
7 Baltimore Ravens 31
8 New York Giants 30

If I were the Browns, I'd focus on the WRs/TEs/RBs, and maybe the oline.

Not to mention next year class is deep and I wouldn't be surprised if Barkley become as good or better than Andrew Luck. They need to focus on other positions before they ruin another QB.
The reason they lead in passes dropped was because Colt McCoy was woefully underthrowing and missing WRs.
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It already seems as if McNair and Smith are doing bong hits with the cuts, no Texans free agents signed, and McNair stating that "we have a QB we are happy with", but if they let Tate go for anything other than Cleveland's first pick in the draft they are fools. Even for the number four overall ... I might hesitate.
Well that would be rather foolish. Giving a backup up for anyone you wanted in the draft besides 2 Qb's?
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I'm thinking thunderkyss and Bill can both kiss my ass.

The pill referance was the the move Matrix by the way. I'm surprised no one caught that.
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Im on the make the trade if it is only for their #22 pick... having the 2 first round picks can fill the center job with Konz, if meyers isn't resigned (which looks like he is not) and also pick up the first round reciever.

I believe we can get Ward back and I think he is capable of the back-up position it foster gets hurt, but a tough call

Also if we dont get some O-line to replace the lost our running game will shut down this yr and its looking like the draft is the only option.
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610 through this out this morning....

"Would you trade Tate plus the #26 pick for Cleveland's #4?"

Justin Blackmon anyone?
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"Would you trade Tate plus the #26 pick for Cleveland's #4?"

Justin Blackmon anyone?
Not unless we resign D. Ward I wouldn't. That would leave us NOTHING at RB if something happens to Foster. At some point in time Tate is going to leave anyway, but I would prefer it not until we get someone else in that proves to be a good backup to Foster.
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"Would you trade Tate plus the #26 pick for Cleveland's #4?"

Justin Blackmon anyone?
In a heartbeat I would for the #4, but I think they were saying Cleveland has another 1st round pick in the 20's which is probably the one we would get.

Still I would take that pick in the 20's, package it with our 1st round pick and if needed you then have bargaining power to move up if needed to get someone.

I don't see CLE giving us the #4.
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The sad thing is that the Browns have a huge need at RT, and had we held on to Winston, we probably could have sent him and Tate to Cleveland for #22 and a late round pick. If Winston Justice is tradeable, even for a pick swap, Eric Winston certainly would be worth a 3rd or 4th.
Not trading Eric is puzzling unless they want to re-sign him very cheaply. If traded, he is definitely on another team and cannot be re-signed. I have not heard of him even scheduling a visit. Seems like asking him to take a cut and re-structure would be way to go unless Smith thinks he could get much lower deal when Eric discovered he was cut.

If NFL thinks Winston is an above average RT seems as if he would have been snapped up by now.
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"Would you trade Tate plus the #26 pick for Cleveland's #4?"

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I would not make this trade. If we get our o-line in order and a back-up to foster, perferably Ward back, then i might consider it...
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Not trading Eric is puzzling unless they want to re-sign him very cheaply. If traded, he is definitely on another team and cannot be re-signed. I have not heard of him even scheduling a visit. Seems like asking him to take a cut and re-structure would be way to go unless Smith thinks he could get much lower deal when Eric discovered he was cut.

If NFL thinks Winston is an above average RT seems as if he would have been snapped up by now.
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Eric Winston is the main prize today, a right tackle who surprised everyone by failing a physical with the Houston Texans and was consequently released to create cap room. He had arthroscopic ankle surgery and should be fine in two weeks. For a guy who started every game at right tackle for the Texans from 2007-11.

Alex Marvez of Fox Sports writes, "At that time, Winston had no idea he wouldn’t be playing for the Texans in 2012. He had started every game for the past five seasons and was considered one of the league’s better right tackles. But with a $5.5 million base salary for 2012 and the Texans having salary-cap issues, Winston became expendable."
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He has a visit to the Chiefs today (and I thought Seattle was talking to him too, but I'd have to search more):

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