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Old 03-17-2012   #201
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Unless they gave us crazy value, which is dumb on their part, I don't get giving up Tate. He's a proven performer playing for under $500k/year for the next two years. Hard to replace that value with an UFA or a draft pick, unless it's a high one.
Tate was drafted to start (the Texans at the time did not know what they had in AF) and he isn't. 22nd pick by itself is good enough for me. He is a good backup but more picks are worth a lot more IMHO.
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Angry That makes no sence whatsoever.....

No way they let Tate go.
You need a quality backup for Foster in case he gets hurt.....like he was last year.
If you trade Tate away......who is your backup to Foster......no.....I dont like that idead of trading him away....

Your playing with fire if you trade Tate.....that makes no sence whatsoever.

Foster and Tate are a good combo....they feed off each other and push each other.....Foster likes the competition they have going at runningback....I like it too....

You let Tate go by trade.....then your going to have to WASTE A draft pick on another running back.....that is a waste of a draft pick.

We need our draft picks for other things .....not replacing a good running back....
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What's Blackmon's history? Because I know that Floyd is still on probation for a DUI last year. Floyd was also arrested in 2010 for underage drinking.
Evidently, from someone who went to school with him, he had a previous DUI removed from his record. And his last DUI was accompanied by a 100+ (brought down to 92) mph tag.
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I was honestly wondering what he knew about Blackmon. Are there any WRs out there without a rap sheet?
There are those that drink and get in bad time trouble.............and there are those like JJ that fall asleep in cars waiting to be served.
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Default Re: Cleveland Browns Rumors: Talks for Houston Texans RB Ben Tate Surface

I'm not so sure the Texans have the CAP room to sign a top ten pick this year and have room next year for all their FAs and new draftees.
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For there 1st round pick.. I would pull the triger in a second..
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I'm not so sure the Texans have the CAP room to sign a top ten pick this year and have room next year for all their FAs and new draftees.
With the new rookie salary cap the Texans would have plenty of space to sign a top 10 pick... Cam Newton the #1 pick in the draft only got a 22 million dollar contract.
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The Browns aren't giving up a 1st for Tate, even #22, unless we send something else with Tate like our 3rd. The Browns would probably give up their 2nd for Tate, but that's about it. I don't have a problem turning him into the #37 pick because I know we can get RBs later in the draft. We have other more pressing needs now that could be addressed at 37, and then utilize our 4th for RB instead. We could get a starting RG with that pick like Kevin Zeitler. I think it would make a lot of sense if we are truly in the "win now" state of mind.
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I think in Today's NFL you got to have two good running backs.
You can get them late in the draft though (we've got a pretty great example of that on our team). I'd love to retain Tate, but it must come at the right price.
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We could get a starting RG with that pick like Kevin Zeitler.
Why Zeitler? He's more of an inline power blocker that would fit a scheme like the Steelers. Konz has the mobility to play in the ZBS, and could move to Guard. He would be a better fit for the Texans.
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Evidently, from someone who went to school with him, he had a previous DUI removed from his record. And his last DUI was accompanied by a 100+ (brought down to 92) mph tag.
I had never heard of this story. Here's the 2010 DUI episode:

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Blackmon was arrested at 3:45 a.m. after officers used radar to determine he was driving 92 mph in a 60 mph zone along Interstate 35 in Carrollton, Texas, police spokesman Dustin Bartram said.
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I think you would be foolish not to do it for the #22 pick.
Tate is a backup. A great backup, but a backup.

With the #22 pick, we would get a starter. Kendall Wright let's say.

You can get a backup running back in the 6th round, Cyrus Gray or Edwin Baker for instance.

Would you rather have Kendall Wright as a starting receiver and Cyrus Gray as your backup running back or Kevin Walter as a starting receiver and Ben Tate as your backup running back.

To me, unless it's a position that isn't as important such as fullback, you always upgrade your starters at the expense of downgrading your backups.
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Why Zeitler? He's more of an inline power blocker that would fit a scheme like the Steelers. Konz has the mobility to play in the ZBS, and could move to Guard. He would be a better fit for the Texans.
They played together in the same system at Wisconsin, and they have nearly identical measurables in size and weight (6'4 and 6'5, both 315 pounds). Zeitler however is much stronger as displayed at the combine with 32 reps on the bench versus Konz's 18. While Konz is more mobile than Zeitler, I think either one could fit our system. However, if we are talking about playing Right Guard, I'll take the stronger of the two. If we are talking Center, I would prefer Konz. If we could get both, I'd be ecstatic, so picking Zeitler at 37 wouldn't deter me from taking Konz at 26.
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I think you would be foolish not to do it for the #22 pick.
Tate is a backup. A great backup, but a backup.

With the #22 pick, we would get a starter. Kendall Wright let's say.

You can get a backup running back in the 6th round, Cyrus Gray or Edwin Baker for instance.

Would you rather have Kendall Wright as a starting receiver and Cyrus Gray as your backup running back or Kevin Walter as a starting receiver and Ben Tate as your backup running back.

To me, unless it's a position that isn't as important such as fullback, you always upgrade your starters at the expense of downgrading your backups.
He did pretty damn well as a starter, a starter, pretty damn well, when Foster was down.
Just saying, a backup is one snap away from being a starter. I'll take Tate over any unknown today.
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Browns should just trade down or just take Richardson if they want to use a first round pick on a RB...
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He did pretty damn well as a starter, a starter, pretty damn well, when Foster was down.
Just saying, a backup is one snap away from being a starter. I'll take Tate over any unknown today.
Hey, I love Ben Tate. There were times when I thought he was better than Foster.

It's not like I am dying to give him away.

You always take a starter over a backup though, no matter how good that backup may be. If we can parlay, what to us is, a backup at one position(particularly a position in which there is only one on the field at a time) into a starter at another position of need we need to look at it.
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The Browns aren't giving up a 1st for Tate, even #22, unless we send something else with Tate like our 3rd. The Browns would probably give up their 2nd for Tate, but that's about it. I don't have a problem turning him into the #37 pick because I know we can get RBs later in the draft. We have other more pressing needs now that could be addressed at 37, and then utilize our 4th for RB instead. We could get a starting RG with that pick like Kevin Zeitler. I think it would make a lot of sense if we are truly in the "win now" state of mind.
If we need to sweeten the deal, I'd throw in Jacoby Jones since I think we'll be cutting him anyway.
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If we need to sweeten the deal, I'd throw in Jacoby Jones since I think we'll be cutting him anyway.
Well I think that train has sailed for the Texans. I expect Jonathan Stewart to be dealt to the Browns if anyone is. He's in the last year of his deal, won't be much of a cap hit if traded, and he's a potential franchise RB. I would love to see the Browns get him for a 3rd and sign him to an extension. That would be a good deal for the Panthers as they were going to let him walk in 2013 anyways now that they signed Mike Tolbert.


/Deangelo Williams' contract makes him untradeable IMO.
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