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Old 03-13-2012   #21
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I'm not going to rant on anything......but I don't see Kareem as being that great. I don't know if I would say trash..he did play good enough last year to climb out of the trash can, but I still can't see a serious (non joking/not just trying to be different) defense of him.

The best defense (that I enjoy) is how he is a run stopper. Nice. I love my DB's to specialize in that

Again, he is finally above P-Burnt status but not by much...

But nothing to panic about IMO....I'm anxious to see what happens here...Texans may have somethig big coming.
Neither is Winston. Unlike Duane Brown, Winston never really progressed like most thought he would.
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Eric Wright, Brandon Carr and even the hated Cortkand Finnegan will all be available in 2 hours, all are miles better than KJax. Yet we can't even figure how to keep our OL in tact.
I know. We should sign all 3 of those guys and Vincent Jackson, Reggie Wayne, and Carl Nicks with the boat loads of money we have....
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OD could be replaced easily in this draft. Wouldn't be surprised or sad to see him go.
His cap hit is $5M this year. If we cut him, it accelerates the bonus cap hits due in 2012-2014 to this year, which would cost $4.5M. So, Daniels is staying unless my figures are wrong.
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His cap hit is $5M this year. If we cut him, it accelerates the bonus cap hits due in 2012-2014 to this year, which would cost $4.5M. So, Daniels is staying unless my figures are wrong.
Everything I have read said his guaranteed money was paid in year 1, and there was no signing bonus. Did he restructure at some point?
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...it's his 3rd year why would you release him?
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Everything I have read said his guaranteed money was paid in year 1, and there was no signing bonus. Did he restructure at some point?
OD's Signing bonus was amortized at $1.5M/yr.

ETA - the extension was in March 2011, with $0 guaranteed money, but the signing bonus still counts against the cap.
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Has my hatred for Dunta really blinded me so much? I mean I don't remember many "plays" made by Dunta & many around here were considering him nigh pro-bowl caliber.
Dunta was the #1 corner here and played the opposing teams best WR a lot of the times.

Seems like some folks have a bad memory, but before Dunta got hurt he was balling. He was not J.Jo good, but he was better than Kareem.
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It doesn't matter what he's good at right now. Right now is all about the cap and a little free agency. If Kareem's cap hit is relatively low (Which I believe it is) then he is probably fairly safe from getting cut.
If he's cut, he costs us an immediate $5MM cap hit to pay off the remainder of his signing bonus. Keeping him costs us his salary plus prorated bonus, which is about $5MM. Cutting him or keeping him costs you around $5mm against the cap. I'd rather keep him, as like stated before - he IS the second best corner on the roster right now.
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I don't know about y'all, but I'm on a jersey watch right now. So far, I've only lost my Demeco jersey, but could lose my Super Mario Jersey too! That's 3 of my 9 jerseys! Watt am I going to do?? I guess the 2 Fosters, the 2 AJ's, the Cusings and the expansion jersey are safe.

These selfish players don't even think about how much it cost us to buy those jerseys to support them, then they run off to another team. Sure we could replace the c a r r with a s h w a b when their numbers are the same, but then it's just not quite as nice.

Maybe Meco will re-sign for a cheaper contract....any chance...at all??
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I don't know about y'all, but I'm on a jersey watch right now. So far, I've only lost my Demeco jersey, but could lose my Super Mario Jersey too! That's 3 of my 9 jerseys! Watt am I going to do?? I guess the 2 Fosters, the 2 AJ's, the Cusings and the expansion jersey are safe.

These selfish players don't even think about how much it cost us to buy those jerseys to support them, then they run off to another team. Sure we could replace the c a r r with a s h w a b when their numbers are the same, but then it's just not quite as nice.

Maybe Meco will re-sign for a cheaper contract....any chance...at all??
Demeco is still on the team
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I don't know about y'all, but I'm on a jersey watch right now. So far, I've only lost my Demeco jersey, but could lose my Super Mario Jersey too! That's 3 of my 9 jerseys! Watt am I going to do?? I guess the 2 Fosters, the 2 AJ's, the Cusings and the expansion jersey are safe.

These selfish players don't even think about how much it cost us to buy those jerseys to support them, then they run off to another team. Sure we could replace the c a r r with a s h w a b when their numbers are the same, but then it's just not quite as nice.

Maybe Meco will re-sign for a cheaper contract....any chance...at all??
Don't believe that Demeco has been cut.
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Dunta was the #1 corner here and played the opposing teams best WR a lot of the times.

Seems like some folks have a bad memory, but before Dunta got hurt he was balling. He was not J.Jo good, but he was better than Kareem.
Seems like. Let me go back & watch all those Dunta Robinson highlights.
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Cut Kareem...and then your 2nd CB is who? I'm not saying he's an all pro buuuut I AM saying the drop off from Kareem to....McCain? Brandon Harris? Sherrick friggin McMannis? ...is a lot steeper than Winston to Butler. Pass pro just took a step forward, I think ideally that's what OTs should be best at, not run blocking. Butler stepped in for Brown and did well. Jacoby isn't being cut because who the hell is after him? A guy who looked good in preseason?


Sweet jumpin Jesus flakes, you guys need to let some more offseason happen before the sky falls.
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I don't know about y'all, but I'm on a jersey watch right now. So far, I've only lost my Demeco jersey, but could lose my Super Mario Jersey too! That's 3 of my 9 jerseys! Watt am I going to do?? I guess the 2 Fosters, the 2 AJ's, the Cusings and the expansion jersey are safe.

These selfish players don't even think about how much it cost us to buy those jerseys to support them, then they run off to another team. Sure we could replace the c a r r with a s h w a b when their numbers are the same, but then it's just not quite as nice.

Maybe Meco will re-sign for a cheaper contract....any chance...at all??
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many or most dont agree, but i think kareem will be one of our better players - if not a great. it seems that he's been here forever, but jackson just finished his sophomore season ... his rookie being without coaching and forced to be the #1 without any veteran or on field support ... screwed. basically a david carr-esque drafted into "worst case scenario", but lucky enough to get wade last year. few jump that much from year one to year two, and none do it without a training camp in between, but kareem went from horrid to above average. by preseason i expect him to be as good or better than a young terrance newman ... he is the ideal #2 in wade's system in my opinion.
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Cut Winston, WTF?!?!?! Ok fine, we need cap room, but what about the garbage on our payroll? Kareem Jackson? Jacoby? Jeff Garcia? Jake Delhomme?

Those two washed up QBs at league minimum are eating a few million, and Kareem Jax as a 1st rounder ain't cheap!

Why? Why? Why?
I would say because Allen is a UFA, we have a bunch of guys with no experience behind Jackson on the depth chart, and they seem intent on keeping Quin at SS.
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Seems like. Let me go back & watch all those Dunta Robinson highlights.
If kareem were to hit the open market do you think any team would give him anything close to what dunta got?

Falcons obviously overpaid, but my point is that no one is going to overpay Kareem.
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If kareem were to hit the open market do you think any team would give him anything close to what dunta got?

Falcons obviously overpaid, but my point is that no one is going to overpay Kareem.

Kareem sucks balls. If someone offerred a bag of Doritos for him, id take it. Hell, jacoby would probably be a better CB than this slug. Kevin Walter breaks off Kareem in practices.
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Kareem sucks balls. If someone offerred a bag of Doritos for him, id take it. Hell, jacoby would probably be a better CB than this slug. Kevin Walter breaks off Kareem in practices.
Stop being a mental midget.
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Kareem sucks balls. If someone offerred a bag of Doritos for him, id take it. Hell, jacoby would probably be a better CB than this slug. Kevin Walter breaks off Kareem in practices.
We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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