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Old 03-13-2012   #61
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I don't understand it either. The sad thing is that if the cap had increased ~5% like it normally does, Winston or others would probably still be on the team. Seems like Rick screwed up last offseason and overspent by a lot.
I would never blame Rick for "overspending" last offseason. Johnathan Joseph and Daniel Manning were huge additions to this team. Doubtful we make the playoffs had we not picked them up.
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is there a texans fund i could donate $20 to the cap. i'd support that more than kony2012







































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I would never blame Rick for "overspending" last offseason. Johnathan Joseph and Daniel Manning were huge additions to this team. Doubtful we make the playoffs had we not picked them up.
While certainly a valid point about the impact of Joseph and Manning, a big part of a GM's job is to look further into the future than just the upcoming season.
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Texans biggest needs (IMO)

1. No. 2 WR
2. Legit backup/starting QB (when Mattie goes down)
3. OLB
4. No. 3 WR

Hope they don't have to add a whole offensive line to that.
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I would never blame Rick for "overspending" last offseason. Johnathan Joseph and Daniel Manning were huge additions to this team. Doubtful we make the playoffs had we not picked them up.
We probably would have been ok without Manning, but I'm glad we got him. In any case, looking at 2010 cap hit numbers, it seems the Texans left about 20 million on the table that they could have used without penalty. It's a shame they didn't give AJ and Demeco huge roster bonuses to reduce their future cap hits. AJ's contract is ballooning over the next few years, and these restuctures are going to make it harder to deal with him in 2 years.
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Is it possible that Winston re-signs with us at a lower amount? I haven't seen that discussed yet.
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Man those have to be the worst tacos on the planet. Fine if you are hitting something else but geez those things suck.
I use them as alcohol sponges in my anti-hangover regiment.
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Is it possible that Winston re-signs with us at a lower amount? I haven't seen that discussed yet.
Unless he doesn't care about money at this point of career hard to see him coming back. The OT market is pretty thin and Winston is one of the best available. I heard him say on 610 about 10 teams have called and inquired already.

Looks like he's about to receive a pretty significant raise compared to the contract he had here.
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Unless he doesn't care about money at this point of career hard to see him coming back. The OT market is pretty thin and Winston is one of the best available. I heard him say on 610 about 10 teams have called and inquired already.

Looks like he's about to receive a pretty significant raise compared to the contract he had here.
Something doesn't make sense. If there is this much interest and teams are willing to pay more then what we were paying him then how were we not able to trade him?
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Something doesn't make sense. If there is this much interest and teams are willing to pay more then what we were paying him then how were we not able to trade him?
This isn't baseball, there is a cap and teams know when your up against it. No leverage.
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Colston, Garcon, and Marshall are the only big-name guys who have struck deals with a team this far. There's been a trickle of others, but not much.

Nobody needs to freak out yet. All these GMs and all these agents are contacting one another and seeking out what each player wants from each team...then the teams have to decide they want to pull the trigger on the player. It takes time. It doesn't happen in 4 hours.

There's no telling what our roster looks like when the dust settles. Any number of things can happen, so just relax and watch the updates as they occur. This isn't the draft where each team has a pick and two minutes later another team gets to pick. 32 teams, dozens upon dozens of agents, and they're all making the circuit trying to sort out potential deals. It's a HUGE process.

Not even Peyton Manning is dumb enough to make a commitment until he sees how this massive FA market pans out for each team. He'd be an eediot to sign with a team right now...he has to see what each team does and if they get stronger or weaker in the next few days. And he's just one example...think about Mario Williams--He's also trying to land the best money at the best destination for him to get a ring, as well.
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We also confirmed that Pat Kirwan is full of crap.
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This isn't baseball, there is a cap and teams know when your up against it. No leverage.
Right, but the leverage is gained back if multiple teams are after that player. You don't think one of the interested teams would offer a 5th round pick knowing that there are other teams after him? Maybe there just isn't as much interest in the player as is being rumored.
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Man those have to be the worst tacos on the planet. Fine if you are hitting something else but geez those things suck.
But man, no where on the face of this earth can you get a taco served with a slice of cheese rather than shredded cheese. That's AWESOMENESS!!! (in a sick sorta way).
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Right, but the leverage is gained back if multiple teams are after that player. You don't think one of the interested teams would offer a 5th round pick knowing that there are other teams after him? Maybe there just isn't as much interest in the player as is being rumored.
Releasing Winston was a pure cap saving move. If we would of traded him it would have accelerated his bonuses and thus limiting the amount we could have saved according to Lance Zierlein.

Also ProFootballTalk is reporting Winston has visits with the Dolphins, Chiefs, and Rams so far.
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Releasing Winston was a pure cap saving move. If we would of traded him it would have accelerated his bonuses and thus limiting the amount we could have saved according to Lance Zierlein.

Also ProFootballTalk is reporting Winston has visits with the Dolphins, Chiefs, and Rams so far.
For the love of anything holy, LZ's father may be a former coach but it doesn't mean LZ knows schlong about the cap and he is misreporting this. The same amount of money has to be accounted for whether it be trade or cut. If it is trade then it all goes on this year's cap. If it is cut AND the Texans declare him as one of their two optional June 1st cuts then they can divide the SAME cap hit over this season and next season.

Holy flying squirrel why can't our local professional sports media learn the freaking basics of the sports they are supposed to be covering?
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Releasing Winston was a pure cap saving move. If we would of traded him it would have accelerated his bonuses and thus limiting the amount we could have saved according to Lance Zierlein.

Also ProFootballTalk is reporting Winston has visits with the Dolphins, Chiefs, and Rams so far.
His unamortized signing bonus is accelerated by cutting him under the new CBA. His cap hit was reportedly going to be $5.5M. The bonus we will still have to count against the cap should be $2.4M, so it saves roughly $3M, not counting any deductions for remaining guaranteed money, if there is any. He had $10M guaranteed, but we probably already paid most if not all of that.
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While certainly a valid point about the impact of Joseph and Manning, a big part of a GM's job is to look further into the future than just the upcoming season.
No doubt about that. I hope the reports are untrue about our cap mess bc this year we won't do anything and get ready for next offseason.
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We probably would have been ok without Manning, but I'm glad we got him. In any case, looking at 2010 cap hit numbers, it seems the Texans left about 20 million on the table that they could have used without penalty. It's a shame they didn't give AJ and Demeco huge roster bonuses to reduce their future cap hits. AJ's contract is ballooning over the next few years, and these restuctures are going to make it harder to deal with him in 2 years.
True. Would have been best if they did something then. And not got caught like Dallas or Washington!!

I just pray to little baby Jesus were not cap f'd lol
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Ok i think I'm gonna stop posting Zierleins calculations lol. He was off on DeMeco contract savings he if were to be cut too.
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