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Old 03-13-2012   #61
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LZ just also stated he is having doubts about resigning Myers so he is asking would you be OK resigning Mario if you lose your C, RT and G? What about if it was for Wallace at WR or another big name?
Losing 3/5's of your starting Oline seems like a bad deal no matter how you slice it.
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LZ just also stated he is having doubts about resigning Myers so he is asking would you be OK resigning Mario if you lose your C, RT and G? What about if it was for Wallace at WR or another big name?
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LZ just also stated he is having doubts about resigning Myers so he is asking would you be OK resigning Mario if you lose your C, RT and G? What about if it was for Wallace at WR or another big name?
No!!!

No O-line, no offense, no wins, no more playoffs. You can't just pull guys off the street for ZBS.

I've said it, will say it again: lose Myers and we're sunk. Myers>Mario.


This is starting to look like Black Tuesday, and I'm starting to get pi$$ed.
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Could it be the Colts quartet are about to become Texans?

Manning/Saturday/Wayne/Clark
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Could it be the Colts quartet are about to become Texans?

Manning/Saturday/Wayne/Clark
I seriously doubt that.

Something to think about though for you guys worried about Oline (me being one of them): Go back and look at how much turnover DEN had on the Oline during the 90's runs they had to the SB. May be a little fortune telling from the past.
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Could it be the Colts quartet are about to become Texans?

Manning/Saturday/Wayne/Clark
Manning isn't coming here, but he certainly wouldn't with an o-line in flux. He wants to win.
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https://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter

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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

So what's up with our cap situation?

If we were going to free up $30M just by dropping our UFA contracts, why are we cutting Vickers & Winston to free up money?
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So what's up with our cap situation?

If we were going to free up $30M just by dropping our UFA contracts, why are we cutting Vickers & Winston to free up money?
If you believed Florio, we were $4 - $5m over the cap a few days ago. If you believed Jason LaCanfora we were $650k under the cap before cutting Winston/Leinart/Vickers and re-structuring Andre.

Basically nobody knows.

EDIT: Also don't forget to add in the $1.6m from Cowboy/Redskins budgets.
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No!!!

No O-line, no offense, no wins, no more playoffs. You can't just pull guys off the street for ZBS.

I've said it, will say it again: lose Myers and we're sunk. Myers>Mario.


This is starting to look like Black Tuesday, and I'm starting to get pi$$ed.
I disagree with that wholeheartedly and I am not sure why people have this perception.

Mario is better than Meyers and it's not even close. Mario helps a team out more than Meyers and it's not even close.

If I'm the Texans I'd re-sign Briesel and let Meyers walk. He is probably going to get a good chunk of change and he's not worth that. He's really an above average center that found a good niche here in Houston.

Briesel is not going to sign for as much and he is just as good as Myers and maybe a little bit better at some things.
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If the cap is rising by an average of 7-9% over the course of the new deal, as announced, then that is around $8-11mill per year.

If it doesn't rise this year, then thats going to have to be put back to future years too, so I wouldn't be shocked to see as much as $12 mill extra next offseason.

Either that, or the players are gonna have to start wondering if they got dicked in the negotiations.
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Manning isn't coming here, but he certainly wouldn't with an o-line in flux. He wants to win.
So you're estimation is that we are not going to win next year because Winston has been cut, and Meyers and Briesel are in limbo?

Sucks for Schaub.
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So what's up with our cap situation?

If we were going to free up $30M just by dropping our UFA contracts, why are we cutting Vickers & Winston to free up money?
Because we are probably not freeing up 30M in cap space as of 3PM this afternoon. We still need some room to sign the UFA's we will need to replace ours that will be gone.
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I think maybe Smith is trying to have enough cap room for both Schaub and Manning, so he can keep Schaub around until someone elses QB1 gets hurt and then trade him when his value is high like the Bengals did with Palmer.
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I think maybe Smith is trying to have enough cap room for both Schaub and Manning, so he can keep Schaub around until someone elses QB1 gets hurt and then trade him when his value is high like the Bengals did with Palmer.
That is SO crazy it just might work. lol.

- Start the season with Manning, Schaub and Yates.
- Manning's contract is payable so long as he's on the roster, if he's not good to go and we cut him, we don't have a significant cap hit.
- Plan is for Manning to start season, Schaub continue getting healthy.
- Manning goes down, we have Schaub.
- Schaub is not ready, we have Manning.
- Neither Manning nor Schaub are good - we're back to TJ + picking up guys like Delhomme.
- Both Manning and Schaub healthy, some team WILL call for a trade and Schaub's trade value would be higher than it is right now.

Like I said. That is so crazy... it just might work.
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I'm thinking we're dropping players we think can be replaced...cheaper.

Agents of our remaining UFAs will see if their guys can get better offers elsewhere....but probably end up taking the Texans' offer (the majority of them, at least) because we're a better team and these guys might not even get much more of a bump in pay from other teams. I mean, what team is going to pay Rackers more than we will?

We're going to try and re-sign as many of our own UFAs as we can. The cuts were to free up cash to make legitimate offers to the remaining UFAs.

This is touch-and-go. Never know if some team might over-pay a guy like Dreessen or not. Everybody wants to test the waters.
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That is SO crazy it just might work. lol.

- Start the season with Manning, Schaub and Yates.
- Manning's contract is payable so long as he's on the roster, if he's not good to go and we cut him, we don't have a significant cap hit.
- Plan is for Manning to start season, Schaub continue getting healthy.
- Manning goes down, we have Schaub.
- Schaub is not ready, we have Manning.
- Neither Manning nor Schaub are good - we're back to TJ + picking up guys like Delhomme.
- Both Manning and Schaub healthy, some team WILL call for a trade and Schaub's trade value would be higher than it is right now.

Like I said. That is so crazy... it just might work.
If that's the plan, I'm on board. If there is no plan, and it's all just wishful thinking, then I'll be angry...

I just get this feeling that we're going to end up signing some leftover guys next week to fill holes and then continue to "build through the draft".
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