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Old 03-13-2012   #1
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Default So... WTF is going on?

Winston, Leinart... maybe Jones and Demeco being cut. AJ has restructured. What is this all about? Literally none of our UFAs have been re-signed only ours before the start of free agency...

1. Clearing space for Mario, Myers, and company?
2. Clearing space for Peyton?
3. Cap situation was really, really bad?
4. Texans have big plans in free agency. Maybe a surprise like Brandon Carr or Vincent Jackson?
5. Just your average house cleaning for a championship-caliber team?
6. Something else?
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Cap situation was that bad, and we have to sign Myers above all else.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

This is going to be interesting. I figured we were pretty much going to stand pat with the exception of either bringing back Myers and Brisiel or replacing them.

Now...?

I really don't think Manning is going to be here. It would go against (my perception) of every grain of Kubiak's character. He's loyal to his players (although they did just cut Winston and might be cutting Demeco). I think they'll give the ball to Schaub and finish what we were on pace to do last season.

I think Vincent Jackson will cost too much. I just can't see a team try and pay 3 All Pro caliber players at the WR/RB positions.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

I'm really, REALLY panicking about this.

I'm down with every move they've made as long as its for the right reasons, those guys all got paid above their production last year regardless of their 'leadership' or whatever.

Its the fact that these moves came in a hurry as soon as the cap was announced to be lower than anyone expected.

Its the fact that you see a lot of other teams cutting their respected vets weeks before FA starts to give them a head start on the rest of the market. Were these moves properly planned?

If they go out in FA and sign a big name or two off the back of this, I'll be happy. If it allows them to resign our important UFA's and bring in lower cost replacements I'll be happy.

If our Draft board just got completely re-shuffled based on need over BPA, I'm thinking Smithiak have 12 months max before they're boarding a plane to Washington. And that would be very bad for our season.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

Resigning Myers and see you later Briesel and hello Carl Nicks!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding. I'm afraid to wake up tomorrow and see who's still on the team. Tomorrow is going to be crazy
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Resigning Myers and see you later Briesel and hello Carl Nicks!!!!!!!!!

Just kidding. I'm afraid to wake up tomorrow and see who's still on the team. Tomorrow is going to be crazy
at least with Myers, Brisiel, Allen, Mario, Dreessen we have the opportunity to get compensatory picks... Losing Winston, Leinart, Ryans would get us nothing but dead money and hurt feelings. Kinda sucks!
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

i think they're clearing space for Meyers and Mario. everyone else is replaceable through the draft & FA imo & i think that's what they plan to do.
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i think they're clearing space for Meyers and Mario. everyone else is replaceable through the draft & FA imo & i think that's what they plan to do.
If so, cap situation was worse than I thought.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

I think the cap situation was that bad and we also have to think about resigning guys like Brown, Cushing, and Barwin soon. I think we've cleared enough space to bring back Myers and maybe Dreessen and Brisiel.

For the guys hoping for a big FA move...don't hold your breath. We probably sign a few low-level vets and depth players, but no big fish. The draft will be crucial to filling out the holes in the roster.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

i think if the cap was that bad, we would've saw these cuts sooner & maybe they just go ahead and franchise arian. Most people here knew that the cap wasn't going to be raised too much.....so its hard for me to believe that the texans FO didn't have a good idea of where it was likely to be.

As i said before i think they're setting up to go ahead and get Meyers and maybe mario...but more importantly, they're setting up for next year as well.

this is why i said or at least have been thinking that even if they let mario walk, we still likely would've been making some unexpected cuts and or letting some guys walk next year when dealing with Cush, Schaub and Barwin. It's better we go ahead & get out in front of this now & cut guys rather than wait until next year.
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If so, cap situation was worse than I thought.
Accurate cap numbers are so hard to find. If Spotrac is correct, the Texans have about 101m on the books for 2012 after cutting Winston and before signing any free agents. That's before you include over 12m in dead money. You would think that Mario would command atleast 12m. The Texans still have to sign a kicker; Niel Rackers made a little over 2m last season. Those numbers, if correct, show that we have to cut additional players in order to resign Myers and get Mario.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

IMO these guys are your core players for the next 2-3 years .

Duane Brown
Chris Myers
Arian Foster
AJ
Cushing
JJ Watt
Conner Barwin
Jonathon Joseph
D. Manning
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.
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IMO these guys are your core players for the next 2-3 years .

Duane Brown
Chris Myers
Arian Foster
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JJ Watt
Conner Barwin
Jonathon Joseph
Mario
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more like this....if schaub were younger, he'd probably be on this list too.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

Maybe they knew they were in some cap trouble but waited it out, until the other day a lot of people seemed the think the cap 'not moving much' would put it at $125-126m maybe, perhaps they had to wait and see exactly what the damage was.

None of the guys cut so far are irreplaceable, you could argue that losing Barwin if we keep hold of Mario wouldn't hurt too much, Brown, Myers and Cushing are all necessities, while they could view Mario as a necessity (although I'd lose him before all the parts around him).

I guess tomorrow will tell. Maybe they do go out and get Manning, its not as if he's used to stellar Oline play anyway. It would certainly be an exciting prospect although I'd have thought Schaub would be the first out the door if that is what they are planning.

Maybe tomorrow we'll see a bunch of these guys resign on more affordable deals, Winston's cost at $5.5 was too high, but his play wasn't exactly damaging.

Rick Smith had better have a plan in place is all I'm saying, he's managed to gain some credibility around he at last but lets not forget what the general consensus opinion on him was 12 months ago.
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

Put me down as thinking the team is clearing cap room to resign key(read NOT necessarily MW)FA's this year and extend key FA's for next year before they get to the FA market. With a big bump expected in cap $$ next season, this would be prudent. We could then be active in FA next season w/o worrying about our own so much.
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Put me down as thinking the team is clearing cap room to resign key(read NOT necessarily MW)FA's this year and extend key FA's for next year before they get to the FA market. With a big bump expected in cap $$ next season, this would be prudent. We could then be active in FA next season w/o worrying about our own so much.

It has been posted on here quite a bit this week that the cap is not increasing in one big bump next year. More of an incremental increase over the next few years.
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This is all to re-sign Mario Williams. Heard Rick Smith had good conversations with his agent last night. Let's see what happens today shall we? Mario wants to stay in Houston. I'll tell you that much.
This is my guess.

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No one knows whats going on ..... This from Titter .... errr twitter , Via the Crapical.


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JeromeSolomon -I could be wrong (yeah right), but the Texans didn't have to cut @ericwinston to sign Chris Myers. Something else has to be up.



Expected Leinart to be cut.

Expected Foster to get a new deal.

Expect J.Jones to get cut.

Expect Myers to get a new deal .... clocks ticking.

Expected Briesel to be resigned.

Expected them to re-structure Demeco. We have "source" in the other thread saying he will be cut. - its just rumor at this point .... But I could see it happening for obvious reasons - mainly cost vs performance. We'll have to wait and see on this one.

Sure didnt see Winston getting cut but that was a significant savings and if they can replace his production at a savings , its a good move.

I havent heard any news since Fosters deal that I would take seriously , I dont even have the faintest idea what they are up to .... Could be resigning MW , could be they were in worse cap trouble than originally thought , could be they are targeting other teams FA's , there is quite a bit of talent on the open market already.


I aint got a clue ....
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Default Re: So... WTF is going on?

My best guess, off the top of my head?

Clearing space for Meyers & Brisel - Moving Rashad Butler to RT.

Goodbye Joel Dreesen, Hello Garrett Graham (just looking at how much money they make, and since they've been grooming Graham). Don't know much about Graham's blocking, but his pass catching is superb.

Goodbye Mario Williams. There's simply too many people out there who will spend a fortune on him.

Cut - Jacoby Jones.
Cut - Demeco Ryans.
Cut - Dominic Barber
Cut - Derrick Ward.
Cut - Jason Allen.
Cut - Mister Alexander.
Cut - Bryant Johnson.
Cut - Jeff Garcia
Cut - Jake Dellhome

Sign - Neil Rackers
Sign - Matt Turk
Sign - Casey Studdard
Sign - Quentin Demps
Sign - Tim Dobbins
Sign - Tim Bulman

FA - WR
FA - CB

Draft - OLB/WR/OT/ILB/WR/RB/QB
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