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Old 03-13-2012   #241
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I don't like it.

He has been consistent, they better have something in the works.

In any case WHY would they cut a 5 year starter on the best O-line in the league last year before they cut Jacoby Jones!?
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GOOD maybe now we wont see whoever the starting DE is this week Totally Make our RT look like hes playing on Roller skates anymore i support dis move
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In any case WHY would they cut a 5 year starter on the best O-line in the league last year before they cut Jacoby Jones!?
I'd suspect they cut him now out of respect. It gives him a chance to have his name out there for other teams to look at before the signing frenzy begins.
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I don't like it.

He has been consistent, they better have something in the works.

In any case WHY would they cut a 5 year starter on the best O-line in the league last year before they cut Jacoby Jones!?
This is what happens when you get good . You have to decide who's the easiest to replace to pay the ones who are the hardest to replace .
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Yeah, that's a great pitch for Manning. Come here Peyton! We promise to replace our Center, RG and RT this offseason with great guys to protect your neck!!!
May see them sign the C and RG today before deadline now that they are making room. Strange, but EW wasn't a top tier RT, just a decent player and awesome radio personality. Wish him all the best, but there seems to be a storm brewing.
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Winston will be on the Radio later today...
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May see them sign the C and RG today before deadline now that they are making room. Strange, but EW wasn't a top tier RT, just a decent player and awesome radio personality. Wish him all the best, but there seems to be a storm brewing.
Here's the problem with that, the team can sign those guys before they cut Winston. If the idea was to free up room to sign those guys, they could lock down Myers and/or Brisiel before cutting Winston. As they say, bird in one hand is better than two in the bush...

I still can't believe they couldn't trade him. Even a 3rd round pick is more than you would get in comp picks, if we qualify.
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Here's the problem with that, the team can sign those guys before they cut Winston. If the idea was to free up room to sign those guys, they could lock down Myers and/or Brisiel before cutting Winston. As they say, bird in one hand is better than two in the bush...

I still can't believe they couldn't trade him. Even a 3rd round pick is more than you would get in comp picks, if we qualify.
Winston was overhyped by being a good interview and his performane a few years ago, but I agree that he should have been traded for something.

Me thinks he will be hanging out with Little Shanny and RG3 this year.
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Here's the problem with that, the team can sign those guys before they cut Winston. If the idea was to free up room to sign those guys, they could lock down Myers and/or Brisiel before cutting Winston. As they say, bird in one hand is better than two in the bush...

I still can't believe they couldn't trade him. Even a 3rd round pick is more than you would get in comp picks, if we qualify.
I hope this is all in keeping with the master plan for this off-season, because right now it feels a little bit like they're panicking.

In reality, trading players is a rarity in the NFL, it seems as if trades need to be instigated more by the buying team than the selling team, if you shop a guy just before FA, teams know full well the chances are you'll cut that guy if they don't bite.

I find it astonishing how people think the FO should be getting draft picks for lower tier guys, the clamor to trade Slaton last season for instance, ideas that you could trade Mario despite his being out of contract. It just doesn't happen like that. Lower tier guys tend to get traded if they are a solid backup , under contract who could start for another team (K Walter, C Myers)
or a quality starter who forces a trade (C Palmer).

I think I'm going to try and stop checking till the deadline comes around anyway, its sending me crazy lol.
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Did this come as a surprise? Yes, it did. However, I don't think we'll see much of a drop off from the position. He was a decent RT, but was also the weakest of the Oline.

Reason's behind his release could be one of many. Maybe he wasn't willing to restructure? Maybe he'd worn out the patience of the FO by saying things he wasn't supposed to? He was also acting as our player rep during the lockout process. Maybe he was filling our players full of BS? Who knows?

For those wanting D-Ryans cut. Doing such would only save around 900 grand. He's worth that and then some.

For those thinking we should've traded him. I believe that would've had any bonuses accelerated and not have been much of a cap savings
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I said this a long time ago, but I don't think Briesel and Meyers will be back.

And I think Briesel will be the odd man in if they think they have someone that can succesfully make the line calls and knows what they hell they are doing there.

I don't think they are going to pay top dollar to those guys because they are largely a product of the system we run.

And I'm not saying they don't have talent. What I'm saying is that Meyers is not Mangold and Briesel is no Carl Nicks or Jahri Evans.
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I mostly agree with this with the exception of accepting that he was very good run blocking most of the time. Pass protection was an issue and it seemed like once a week this season I held my breath while he screwed the pooch trying to pass protect. Maybe it just looked so bad because Brown was having such a good year.

I think it's hard to make a case that Winston's position couldn't be upgraded or at the very least restocked for less money. He just wasn't that good. I think Butler can fill that position easily. LT is a reach for him but RT is where he came from (oddly enough Winston was a LT at Miami when Butler was starting at RT there).

I think they wouldn't have released him if they didn't think that they could survive it.
If Butler does not work out 2012 is his last contract year.
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I hope this is all in keeping with the master plan for this off-season, because right now it feels a little bit like they're panicking.

In reality, trading players is a rarity in the NFL, it seems as if trades need to be instigated more by the buying team than the selling team, if you shop a guy just before FA, teams know full well the chances are you'll cut that guy if they don't bite.

I find it astonishing how people think the FO should be getting draft picks for lower tier guys, the clamor to trade Slaton last season for instance, ideas that you could trade Mario despite his being out of contract. It just doesn't happen like that. Lower tier guys tend to get traded if they are a solid backup , under contract who could start for another team (K Walter, C Myers)
or a quality starter who forces a trade (C Palmer).

I think I'm going to try and stop checking till the deadline comes around anyway, its sending me crazy lol.
Just to clarify your statement, Mario is as of now a contracted Texan. His deal ends today. He could have been traded at any time to that point.
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Just to clarify your statement, Mario is as of now a contracted Texan. His deal ends today. He could have been traded at any time to that point.
Well, other than the fact that the trade deadline that hits in Oct. of each league year stays in effect the remainder of the year. NFL teams can't make trades until after 3:00 (Houston time) today. That's why the Rams Redskins trade of draft picks isn't "official" until then.
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I hope this is all in keeping with the master plan for this off-season, because right now it feels a little bit like they're panicking.

In reality, trading players is a rarity in the NFL, it seems as if trades need to be instigated more by the buying team than the selling team, if you shop a guy just before FA, teams know full well the chances are you'll cut that guy if they don't bite.

I find it astonishing how people think the FO should be getting draft picks for lower tier guys, the clamor to trade Slaton last season for instance, ideas that you could trade Mario despite his being out of contract. It just doesn't happen like that. Lower tier guys tend to get traded if they are a solid backup , under contract who could start for another team (K Walter, C Myers)
or a quality starter who forces a trade (C Palmer).

I think I'm going to try and stop checking till the deadline comes around anyway, its sending me crazy lol.
Winston is 28 and was going to make 5.5 million this year and next. Since part of that was signing bonus or whatever, the next team would only be taking on 4.5 million a year for 2 years. If he signs for more than that with another team, then that team should have traded for him. Even a 4th is better than nothing for the Texans. It just seems like this didn't come up until a couple days ago, and the team lost all of its leverage for a trade. So now he's gone, and we will likely get little to nothing in return. Hopefully a comp pick, but that means we don't do anything in free agency.
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Winston is 28 and was going to make 5.5 million this year and next. Since part of that was signing bonus or whatever, the next team would only be taking on 4.5 million a year for 2 years. If he signs for more than that with another team, then that team should have traded for him. Even a 4th is better than nothing for the Texans. It just seems like this didn't come up until a couple days ago, and the team lost all of its leverage for a trade. So now he's gone, and we will likely get little to nothing in return. Hopefully a comp pick, but that means we don't do anything in free agency.
Nope, we cut him. He wasn't a UFA.
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Nope, we cut him. He wasn't a UFA.
Yeah you're right. It's ridiculous that we don't get anything for him.
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Yeah you're right. It's ridiculous that we don't get anything for him.
If you trade him it is a bigger cap hit. Thus the release.
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Yeah you're right. It's ridiculous that we don't get anything for him.
If you trade him there is still a signing bonus cap hit. People need to get over being butt hurt about this move.

When is the last time an offensive lineman got traded for picks?
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