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Old 05-08-2005   #1
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Excuse me fellow Texans but I'm still trying to digest the 2005 draft so enter at your own peril. Which team really suceeded we'll only know in a couple of years for sure but this was really a tremendous draft both in terms of star caliber & depth in latter rounds. Last years was probably the best class ever and this one though lacking @ the top could easily rank in the all time top 10 (although offhand I don't know who tracks this-other than us)

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OK I'm back, I'm going right out on a limb and say that the Arizona Cardinals had the best draft class of 2005.

Antrell Rolle, CB Maimi (FL) the best CB in the draft forget the speed issue this is a man amongst boys, he brings instant presence to the next level, the Titans blew it big time.

J.J. Arrington, RB California a feature back that likes to carry the rock, alot, will be the make or break draftee of this group. I would rate him just ahead of the Texans 3rd round pick Vernand Morency (which means that was an outstanding pick for the Texans) he is proficient in all fazes of the RB skill set but maybe no other key attribute more important than he excells at play action swing passes & screens.

Eric Green, CB Virgina Tech great addition to a need area along with Rolle this revamped Cardnial secondary will be much improved. This kid has the look of a playmaker, has size & quickness if he had more speed has the skills to be a high second round pick reminds me alot of Carrol who GB drafted last year in the first round however with much better hands

Darryl Blackstock, OLB Virgina this was a guy I was convinced the Texans loved, but they passed in the 3rd round because Arizona got him with the 95th pick from N.E. He is very much the Antwan Peek project player but worth the selection bringing a sack force from the outside linebacker position.

Elton Brown, OG Virgina http://virginiasports.collegesports....042405aaa.html WOW with the 111th pick they take a chance on a possible (if his head is on straight) all pro guard. the game I saw him play in impressed me, he is very atheletic for his size and can move a wall down the field creating lanes for his RB (in this case J.J.) so there you have it the top rated guard in the draft falling to the 4th round.

Arizona traded away several other picks but also aquired Lance Mitchell, ILB Oklahoma with the 168th pick & LeRon McCoy, WR Indiana who I know nothing about but does have excellent size at 6' 1" 211 pounds. the point being Dennis Greene has added a possible 5 starters from the draft who could start as rookies, now I can't say that it doesn't reflect poorly on the condition of their team but it does mean they are headed in the right direction
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I'm not really as high on Arizona's draft as most other people seem to be.

Rolle is a good CB but I don't know if he will ever reach elite status despite where he was picked. The physical CB is great in run support but I don't know how well he will adjust in the NFL.

Arrington, I haven't seen much of, but I don't see him as distinguishing himself ahead of the other RBs in this draft.

Eric Green is a decent pick but doesn't really do it for me when it comes to describing a great draft.

I do like Blackstock and while this is probably just "internet draftnik" opinion, I felt he would go higher.

Elton Brown could be a steal if he gets it together, and Lance Mitchell could be a great pick at 168 if he stays healthy.

I guess bottom line for me, this draft has a lot of (?) marks that if they work out could make it a great draft but I think it's more likely to fall into mediocrity.

Disclaimer: Many of these players I haven't seen firsthand, and even if I had, I probably still wouldn't know what I'm talking about. Most of my opinions on these players are based on 2nd+ hand knowledge and should be treated as such.
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It's too early to declare a draft class great. The players need to hit the field in the NFL first. I don't get too many warm fuzzies about this draft class. I think it is fairly thin on talent myself.

Every year the draftniks hype up the new crop of players and every year most of them don't pan out. For instance, guys like David Terrell, Gerard Warren and Charles Rogers were supposed to tear up the NFL when they came out of College.
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Mark my words... EVERYONE has underestimated Darren Sproles due to his size. I be willing to bet if given a chance, and stays healthy, he will be the next Barry Sanders. Just as my mom used to say... hide and watch.
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It's too early to declare a draft class great. The players need to hit the field in the NFL first. I don't get too many warm fuzzies about this draft class. I think it is fairly thin on talent myself.

Every year the draftniks hype up the new crop of players and every year most of them don't pan out. For instance, guys like David Terrell, Gerard Warren and Charles Rogers were supposed to tear up the NFL when they came out of College.
2003 was a much weaker draft class in my opinion, 2005 will prove to add plenty of future NFL stars, just right now at this point its too early to tell which ones. my resoning is not based upon my lifetime of watching football but mostly on the health and state of football in America today, football is king. more attention, more money, more players stay in school and get an education hence College (farm system) remains intact, healthy & worth the effort to scout. I'm a huge College football nut as these young men develop into pro caliber players, they added a 12th game for a reason (one more chance for you to watch your favorite team/player) the talent pool is ascending, the Combine as well as the draft are becomming major events worth bidding for, overall the NFL draft class for the foreseable future is gonna be stronger not "fairly thin on talent".
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Mark my words... EVERYONE has underestimated Darren Sproles due to his size. I be willing to bet if given a chance, and stays healthy, he will be the next Barry Sanders. Just as my mom used to say... hide and watch.
How much would you be willing to bet? I'll even give you 10 to 1 odds.
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I agree Arizona had a strong class. They also made some of the best UDFA pickups with Shazor, King, Holiday and Bergen.

I also believe the Cowboys had a very very good draft as well.
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2003 was a much weaker draft class in my opinion, 2005 will prove to add plenty of future NFL stars, just right now at this point its too early to tell which ones. my resoning is not based upon my lifetime of watching football but mostly on the health and state of football in America today, football is king. more attention, more money, more players stay in school and get an education hence College (farm system) remains intact, healthy & worth the effort to scout. I'm a huge College football nut as these young men develop into pro caliber players, they added a 12th game for a reason (one more chance for you to watch your favorite team/player) the talent pool is ascending, the Combine as well as the draft are becomming major events worth bidding for, overall the NFL draft class for the foreseable future is gonna be stronger not "fairly thin on talent".
I've been a deep fan of the NFL in parts of 4 decades. The players aren't better just because it is 2004. They didn't add a 12th game because the players were so good....they added another game because they want more money. I've seen much, much more impressive draft classes in the past. Just because some of these guys dominated players that could never sniff the NFL doesn't mean they will dominate players at the next level. It will take a few years to see how this class pans out but I think it will not be much better than the 2002 class overall.
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Done deal.

If Darren Sproles accounts for the following over the next 10 years:

1. 15,269 or more career rushing yards
2. 99 or more career rushing TDs
3. One, 2,000 yard rushing season
4. Average 5 yards per carry or more for his career.
5. Elected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot.

I will gladly give you $1,000.00.

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can i put a 20 on that deal? thems good odds
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I've been a deep fan of the NFL in parts of 4 decades. The players aren't better just because it is 2004. They didn't add a 12th game because the players were so good....they added another game because they want more money. I've seen much, much more impressive draft classes in the past. Just because some of these guys dominated players that could never sniff the NFL doesn't mean they will dominate players at the next level. It will take a few years to see how this class pans out but I think it will not be much better than the 2002 class overall.
i believe i've got the same four decades V

did i not mention the money issue and that its growing which is exactly why football is such big buisness and drawing more talented, motivated players as a result

where you really lost me is The players aren't better just because it is 2004. its now 2005 V which is the draft class you question as being thin, everyone feels 2004 was a bumper crop. Charles Rogers was drafted in 2003, David Terrell & Gerald Warren 2001, its not difficult to find winners and losers in any draft if you want to but it does show just how weak those years where. heck look at what the Texans had to choose from in 02, with all those high picks how many players actually became starters on an expansion team which needed everything. its expected that the 2006 draft class will be even better the point is the athletes are getting better, there is more money and the drafts are becoming bigger/better as well.

I would like to just say a big thanks for helping fuel our interest in the draft, your tireless attention to news & events plus all the draft activites. i respect your insight and evaulations. but you must admit the talent is deeper, the College Season despite all NCAA attempts is growing along with revenue. from the Senior bowl, the combine, pro days to the draft its as though a cottage industry has grown overnight. fans want & demand more information so they get it, right here alot of times at HoustonTexans.com......

Now back to subject who do you feel had the best draft class & why?
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Now back to subject who do you feel had the best draft class & why?
Carolina Panthers

Davis was the number one safety and linebacker on certain boards.
Eric Shelton is a solid back and Stefan Leflors is a solid QB.

Dallas Cowboys

They got three guys who could immediately impact their defense: Ware, Spears, and Burnett. Then throw in the Barber and Canty picks and you got a pretty solid class.

Cleveland Browns

They got three guys who will be eventual starters. Edwards will start immediately and Pool and Frye could start soon. Perkins will help them on special teams.
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In my opinion it's a toss up between..

Arizona Cardinals and the Cleveland Browns.
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I think Arizona, Minnesota and San Diego had great drafts (SD even with the Merriman thing) and I've been a deep fan of the NFL for parts of five decades.
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You have to give the Cards and Denny Green a lot of credit, Rolle can start right away and will most likely make an impact, Arrington will be a good starter but I don't think he will be great, Green will be a good player if he can keep himself in check, Blackstock will have a rookie season like Dansby did, Brown remids me of Larry Allen and if he is half as good as Allen he won't have any problem in the pros.
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I thought Arizona, Dallas, and Minnesota helped themselves the best. Honorable mentions go to Miami, SD, Carolina, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, and Philadelphia. All of the above helped themselves considerably in this draft.

The worst imo were Green Bay, and Washington (what are they smoking in DC), with honorable mentions to New Orleans, St. Louis, and Oakland.
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I think Arizona, Minnesota and San Diego had great drafts (SD even with the Merriman thing)
both the Vikings & Chargers should have great drafts with two 1st round picks & throw in the Cowboys too! Actually of those three teams I like the Cowboys draft better with Demarcus Ware, Marcus Spears, Kevin Burnett, Marion Barber, Chris Canty (stands over 6'7" could be the steal of the draft remember Ed Too Tall Jones the 1st overall pick in 74?) Justin Beriault, Rob Petitti (excellent tackle prospect) & Jay Ratliff


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I thought Arizona, Dallas, and Minnesota helped themselves the best. Honorable mentions go to Miami, SD, Carolina, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago, and Philadelphia. All of the above helped themselves considerably in this draft.

The worst imo were Green Bay, and Washington (what are they smoking in DC), with honorable mentions to New Orleans, St. Louis, and Oakland.
both GB & Washington needed a franchise QB. notice that Rogers lasted till GB's pick then the Redskins were forced to trade up (maybe in their own minds) to get their man Jason Campbell who could wind up being a better pro than Aaron. reminds me alot of Warren Moon. in general terms I agree with your marks
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Done deal.

If Darren Sproles accounts for the following over the next 10 years:

1. 15,269 or more career rushing yards
2. 99 or more career rushing TDs
3. One, 2,000 yard rushing season
4. Average 5 yards per carry or more for his career.
5. Elected to the Hall of Fame on the first ballot.

I will gladly give you $1,000.00.

If not, I will expect my $100.
Huge I've noticed a sizable upgrade in your posting since the draft, I guess you still haven't come down from the Cowboys best draft in years, thats a good thing because I enjoy your debates, candor spiced with scarcasm :brickwall
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