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Old 03-08-2012   #61
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So if something's out and out incorrect (Walter's shoulder, Stanford Routt's visit, and it's looking like this one might fit that description), and he's aware of it, what would you like him to do?
Is that you, John McClain?
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So John, JLC says Andre contract has been restructured.You have something else to say.

Its not true.

Why?

Under the rules, you cannot extend a contract twice within a fiscal year. You can convert salary signing bonus money and thats what he reported. I talked to Kennard McGuire and he says its not true.

Where does he get this from?

Same place where he said Stanford Routt was visiting the Texans, same place where he said Kevin Walter was out 8-10 weeks(that was ProFootballTalk John, same place where he said that the Titans were going to franchise Finnegan. I could go on and on.

This is not an isolated incident. Sounds like he lies a lot.

No, they get bad information and they trust people and trust the wrong people.

At what point do you say, I dont take his word for it?

Well I dont. If I hear a report, I check it out with people I trust. Sometimes they're right. The guy right the most is Adam Schefter.

Could this report be premature? That it could happen?

It could be. They have not started negotiations on it. Right now its not done and they're not talkign about it. Nothing done right now. They could do it because the Texans are in the salary cap problem right now because of last year. They were desperate for D help. They pushed money into this year, hoping the cap would go up. The cap is supposedly not going up, and looks like its not going up next year. Every move you make, you have to think ahead. Their goal is, if they cant re-sign Mario, that will give them money to try and avoid Brown, Barwin, Schaub being unrestricted next year. They're trying to look ahead. You still have to re-do some and that is one of the ways. They could do something with him but right now, they're not.

Buy that Manning wants to be in the AFC?

I dont buy it. They're gonna do a deal that best suits them. Miami is a perfect situation. They'll put in how Peyton wants to do it and go from there. Peyton deserves to have his own offense.

Another report says he wants to go where the most money is. When you talk about guaranteed money vs super bowl, wouldnt it be better to take less money to go somewhere where he could win?

You're right. That report is wrong. Peyton got more money than God. How can you guarantee Peyton money right now? You dont know if he can play or throw. We're not talkign about the Peyton of two or three years ago. Peyton will make money but he'll go into a situation that suits him best with the best coaches to get along with and the best talent. If Miami can sign him, they can use the pick on the tackle from Iowa.

What about the Jets?

Media driven. They have a cancerous locker room that I dont see him going there. With all the problems and hype, if they sign him, no telling what Rex would predict. Miami seems to fit Peyton.

Why is it not true - the story from La Canfora?

Because they havent done it.

Expect to hear about them restructing deals?

Yeah, they've already re-done deals to free up money for Arian. They're gonna make Mario an offer to get his attention, probably Monday. They'll be working around the clock to free up money. If they cant get Mario, they want to get everyone else. Considering so many teams are interested in Mario, If Mario takes a couple of weeks and Myers comes and says, look, I have a 4 million dollar a year offer from this team and I dont take it in 24 hours, its going to be gone and they're sitting there hamstrung because they dont know if they'll have that money available. They'll try to sign some guys before they go on the market. I do see Chris Myers back. Im worried about Joel Dreessen because I like him. I think he'll have a chance to go be a starter and at age 31, this will be his last contract. I think he'll end up going somewhere else.
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Is that you, John McClain?

To many websites have picked up the rumor and seem to believe jason la canfora also it makes to much sense not to be true it will be confirmed soon and mclain will just say well at the time of jasons tweet it was not done deal yet you'll see
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Under the rules, you cannot extend a contract twice within a fiscal year. You can convert salary signing bonus money and thats what he reported. I talked to Kennard McGuire and he says its not true.
Little problem with this assertion. It isn't within one fiscal year. AJ's last contract was signed on 8/5/10. That league year ended March 2011.

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They have not started negotiations on it. Right now its not done and they're not talkign about it. Nothing done right now.
Not done is one thing. Not even started to talk is quite another - (a) the Texans would be utter fools to not be talking to their big ticket players before free agency starts and (b) really there hasn't been a single discussion but Canfora lays his entire career on the line to just make something up - doesn't make sense.
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So if something's out and out incorrect (Walter's shoulder, Stanford Routt's visit, and it's looking like this one might fit that description), and he's aware of it, what would you like him to do?
There have been plenty of instances of McClain debunking something he truly has no idea about. There's one specific example when he was adamant that the Texans weren't talking to or interested in a certain free agent. I happened to be around this free agent when he was talking to his agent about conversations he's been having with Rick Smith. I don't mind situations where something comes out and its simply not true.

But this is the same guy who came out last year and said we won't be signing any big name free agents. Then we sign Joseph and Manning, and he started saying "Well I knew they'd do something". He has a humongous ego. I liked the guy more before the Texans' franchise started.

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John McClain is trying to educate us on the specifics of contract restructuring when just last off season the only restructuring he knew of was the Denny's menu expanding to include a value section.
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Little problem with this assertion. It isn't within one fiscal year. AJ's last contract was signed on 8/5/10. That league year ended March 2011.

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didnt some players restructure around the time we signed jjoe and manning last yr?
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didnt some players restructure around the time we signed jjoe and manning last yr?
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Wouldn't that mean that Andre can't restructure just 6 months later?
You can't extend a contract twice in the same year. You can restructure it all you want, assuming the agent/player agree to it.
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John McClain is trying to educate us on the specifics of contract restructuring when just last off season the only restructuring he knew of was the Denny's menu expanding to include a value section.
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Wouldn't that mean that Andre can't restructure just 6 months later?
No. because the fiscal year ends March 13th. The fiscal year began late last year because of the lockout, otherwise those guys could have been restructured sooner. Everyone who restructured their deals last year are available to restructure again this year (a new fiscal year). John McClain knows it he is just trying to put up a smokescreen probably via request by the Texans.

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You can't extend a contract twice in the same year. You can restructure it all you want, assuming the agent/player agree to it.
No bro a fiscal year is the beginning of an accounting year to the end of it. The beginning of the accounting year was around August last year (due to lockout) and it ends in March. Therefore EVERYONE who got restructured last year is available to restructure again this this year. McClain is just putting up a smokescreen.
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No. because the fiscal year ends March 13th.

So then that would mean that if the La Canfora report is true then it can't be official until after March 13.
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So then that would mean that if the La Canfora report is true then it can't be official until after March 13.
Pretty much.


BTW people...DO NOT believe John McClain.

Here is his argument...

JLC's report is false because you cannot restructure a deal twice in the same fiscal year BUT you can convert salary to signing bonus.

Here's why he is WRONG...
The fiscal year ends March 13th. Also a restructure is when you convert salary to signing bonus. But he said you cannot restructure but you can convert salary to signing bonus. MAJOR CONTRADICTION.

It's just a smokescreen.
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I guess we can expect McLaine to put out a story on the restructuring of Andre's contract around that time and claim he knew all along but maintained his sports reporting ethics because the fiscal year had not come to an end yet. Or say he knew about it but he didn't want to report it until then but La Canfora leaked it.
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No bro a fiscal year is the beginning of an accounting year to the end of it. The beginning of the accounting year was around August last year (due to lockout) and it ends in March. Therefore EVERYONE who got restructured last year is available to restructure again this this year. McClain is just putting up a smokescreen.
Got a source for that? I just skimmed through the salary parts of the CBA and couldn't find anything restricting restructuring contracts. The term 'restructure' doesn't even appear in the document. I don't think there is any limit to the amount of restructuring a team can do.



On a side note, here's something interested I read on page 58 of the CBA. Last year you could borrow up to 3 million in salary cap space from future years as described here:

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after the eighth week of the regular season, the "credit" to Team Salary shall be immediately
reduced by $529,000 (9/17ths of $1 ,000,000). Club A shall be charged $ 1 ,471 ,000
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manner to be designated by Club A to offset the 201 1 League Year Team Salary credit.)
Well, that money gets sent to 2014-17, which is way into the future and probably won't amount to much then (great deal right?). In 2012 that same thing can still be done, but it's only 1.5 million that can be deferred.

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the Club on the first day of the 2012 League Year with a Salary of at least $500,000 over
the Minimum Active/Inactive List Salary for such player, for each of whom the Club will
receive a credit to Team Salary for the 2012 League Year of $500,000 provided that the
player is on the Active/Inactive Roster, Reserve/Injured List, or Physically Unable to
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If we can afford him, and still sign our FAs next year, I would LOVE to have Mario on our team. It's just I've been under the impression we couldn't afford him.
Ive been telling you guys for months that they can afford him .... They could probably match any offer MW were to recieve in FA in total money .... Its a matter of will they , not can they.
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I could see this money being used to help lock up our bad ass LT. Just don't think we are going to compete with teams in the "Super Mario Sweepstakes" that are already 40 to 60 million under the cap. Some crazy owner will offer him a Julius Peppers contract (6 years 91.5 million, 43 million guaranteed). No way we can or should do that and keep Myers, Barwin, Brown, and Cushing.
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