TJ Yates or Matt Schaub?

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

If Yates didn't play for the Texans and was some guy on the Titans he'd be laughed at in here and held in the same regard Gabbert is in Jacksonville right now. I really really hope that Leinart can restructure his contract and compete to keep his 2nd string job so people can end this delusion that Yates will ever be a great starter in this league or a guy that should lead the Texans.

I agree going into the season with Yates as our number 1 would be detrimental to his development in this league.

But you don't see a difference between Tj & GAbbert?

Really?

[Wolf]

but Gabbert has catch phases

[Goatcheese]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

I agree going into the season with Yates as our number 1 would be detrimental to his development in this league.

But you don't see a difference between Tj & GAbbert?

Really?

It's a little unfair to compare TJ and his supporting cast(top 3 O-Line, AJ, Foster, OD, etc.) to Gabbert and the clown shoes he was playing with.

I'm not saying that he wasn't bad, but it isn't like they gave him any help.

[krocket]

How would you like to be Kubiak 2 years from now and realize that Manning has taken his team to the SB twice and you missed the playoffs with no QB after Schaub couldn't go on his foot more than a couple of games into this coming season. And, you had the chance to bring Manning here and didn't take it. I realize this is highly theoretical, but could happen. It is evident from the news coming out of NFL.com (no particular link) that a lot of people think Manning will be healthy and ready to go next season from the number of teams pursuing him. A lot of football people on there think Houston is an SB "waiting to happen" with Manning at the helm.

Kubiak and the FO would have a lot of egg on their faces at this point.

[Wolf]

depends on the price

Manning is a hit and miss for about 29 of 32 GM's
(or so)

same as Drew Brees was with teams a few yeas ago (however Drew was young still)

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by krocket

How would you like to be Kubiak 2 years from now and realize that Manning has taken his team to the SB twice and you missed the playoffs with no QB after Schaub couldn't go on his foot more than a couple of games into this coming season. And, you had the chance to bring Manning here and didn't take it. I realize this is highly theoretical, but could happen. It is evident from the news coming out of NFL.com (no particular link) that a lot of people think Manning will be healthy and ready to go next season from the number of teams pursuing him. A lot of football people on there think Houston is an SB "waiting to happen" with Manning at the helm.

Kubiak and the FO would have a lot of egg on their faces at this point.

Manning has gone to the superbowl twice in 14 years and has a 9-10 record as a starting QB in the playoffs with four of those coming in his lone superbowl win.

To think he's all the sudden going to go to back to back superbowls at 36 coming off of multiple neck surgeries ... is kinda far fetched.

I'd steer clear of the guy .... What you are getting for your multiple millions isnt likely a Superbowl appearance much less a superbowl win .... You are buying his past accomplishments. Tho many , I dont think he's worth the gamble.


And why the hell is this thread in the Texans section instead of the NFL section .....

[Premier]

Originally Posted by Texecutioner

I really really hope that Leinart can restructure his contract and compete to keep his 2nd string job so people can end this delusion

delusion huh??

[Premier]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

And why the hell is this thread in the Texans section instead of the NFL section .....

Thread titled "TJ Yates or Matt Schaub?"

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Premier

Thread titled "TJ Yates or Matt Schaub?"

It was semi-sarcasm .... Since every thread turns into "the latest hot FA" Go ahead , click the link.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by krocket

How would you like to be Kubiak 2 years from now and realize that Manning has taken his team to the SB twice and you missed the playoffs with no QB after Schaub couldn't go on his foot more than a couple of games into this coming season.

How would you like to be Kubiak 2 years from now & realize that Manning never played another down & some team (Miami) wasted a year of their existence thinking he would. In the meantime, You've won two AFC Championship game following the plan that got you to this point.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

How would you like to be Kubiak 2 years from now & realize that Manning never played another down & some team (Miami) wasted a year of their existence thinking he would. In the meantime, You've won two AFC Championship game following the plan that got you to this point.

Honestly, I think the Texans will be picking in the top 15 in next years draft.

[jaayteetx]

Originally Posted by Rey

Honestly, I think the Texans will be picking in the top 15 in next years draft.

They must be trading up then!

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Rey

Honestly, I think the Texans will be picking in the top 15 in next years draft.

Aww come on man... you can't drop a steamer like that in our koolaid pitcher with absolutely no explanation...

what do you mean??

[Rey]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

Aww come on man... you can't drop a steamer like that in our koolaid pitcher with absolutely no explanation...

what do you mean??

Well, just based off of what I think will happen...

I think Mario will be gone, I don't think we are going to get a game breaking WR to play alongside AJ, I don't think Schaub will be healthy to start the season and then when he does play I'm not sure how he will play...I think that foot injury will affect his throwing some...

Our schedule is going to be harder...

I'm afraid that we are going to be rather casual or cavalier about this off-season and not aggresively try to get better. I hope (but fear we are) we don't fall into the trap of "well if we'd have just had Matt Schaub we'd have won the ship"...

I am worried about the tougher schedule we will be playing, Matt being out, Brooks Reed development, injuries that will inevitably happen, WR's, re-signing Myers/Briesel...Wade's second year defense stuff...Tennessee will likely be better...

I just hope they are still hungry down at reliant because this past year is just that...in the past and right now it doesn't mean a whole lot and it especially won't mean anything if we don't improve going forward. If you aren't getting better, you are getting worse...especially in the NFL.

[krocket]

Originally Posted by Rey

Well, just based off of what I think will happen...

Rey, I agree that this year will be uphill for us, especially if we pass on Manning. They will have game plans aimed at our weaknesses. We may not have much in the way of offense for reasons you have already enumerated. IMO it won't be as easy next season, Homers not withstanding. Manning never had a defense like ours (mostly without Mario). If we are smart, Reggie Wayne will pay us to play with Manning again. TJ was simply a place holder which was exposed against the Ravens. Maybe he will be good in a few years and maybe not, but I am not ready to turn over the reins to a rookie +1 just yet.

[ObsiWan]

Originally Posted by Rey

Well, just based off of what I think will happen...

I think Mario will be gone, I don't think we are going to get a game breaking WR to play alongside AJ, I don't think Schaub will be healthy to start the season and then when he does play I'm not sure how he will play...I think that foot injury will affect his throwing some...

Our schedule is going to be harder...

I'm afraid that we are going to be rather casual or cavalier about this off-season and not aggresively try to get better. I hope (but fear we are) we don't fall into the trap of "well if we'd have just had Matt Schaub we'd have won the ship"...

I am worried about the tougher schedule we will be playing, Matt being out, Brooks Reed development, injuries that will inevitably happen, WR's, re-signing Myers/Briesel...Wade's second year defense stuff...Tennessee will likely be better...

I just hope they are still hungry down at reliant because this past year is just that...in the past and right now it doesn't mean a whole lot and it especially won't mean anything if we don't improve going forward. If you aren't getting better, you are getting worse...especially in the NFL.

But I think they ARE still hungry down at Reliant. Andre and Arian got a taste of the playoffs and they liked it. They want more. Schaub is hungry because he missed a chance to get in on the fun. He wants in. They all know how close they were. I think we'll be back as AFCS champs again.

But then, that could be the residual koolaid talking.

[drs23]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

But I think they ARE still hungry down at Reliant. Andre and Arian got a taste of the playoffs and they liked it. They want more. Schaub is hungry because he missed a chance to get in on the fun. He wants in. They all know how close they were. I think we'll be back as AFCS champs again.

I agree completely with this statement, at least that's what I was hearing at the conclusion of last season and I see no reason for this train of thought to derail.

But then, that could be the residual koolaid talking.

Stay away from the koolaid, 'specially since Rey dropped a steamer in it.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by ObsiWan

But I think they ARE still hungry down at Reliant. Andre and Arian got a taste of the playoffs and they liked it. They want more. Schaub is hungry because he missed a chance to get in on the fun. He wants in. They all know how close they were. I think we'll be back as AFCS champs again.

But then, that could be the residual koolaid talking.

We've yet to see this team build on success to achieve higher success. That, I think, is one of the hardest things for a coach, to get these guys to understand you're never "good enough"

We've got some "quality" character guys, so we'll see how that works out for us. But we've got plenty of good reasons to be concerned.. with a capital K

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by Rey

Well, just based off of what I think will happen...

I think Mario will be gone, I don't think we are going to get a game breaking WR to play alongside AJ, I don't think Schaub will be healthy to start the season and then when he does play I'm not sure how he will play...I think that foot injury will affect his throwing some...

Our schedule is going to be harder...

I'm afraid that we are going to be rather casual or cavalier about this off-season and not aggresively try to get better. I hope (but fear we are) we don't fall into the trap of "well if we'd have just had Matt Schaub we'd have won the ship"...

I am worried about the tougher schedule we will be playing, Matt being out, Brooks Reed development, injuries that will inevitably happen, WR's, re-signing Myers/Briesel...Wade's second year defense stuff...Tennessee will likely be better...

I just hope they are still hungry down at reliant because this past year is just that...in the past and right now it doesn't mean a whole lot and it especially won't mean anything if we don't improve going forward. If you aren't getting better, you are getting worse...especially in the NFL.

Ill take it point by point.

1. Mario being gone, while not what I want to see, wont make us any worse than we were on defense last year. I do think if he signs we are better, but for the sake of this argument its a non-event.

2. A running team that already has the best WR in the game doesn't need a "game breaking receiver" to play along side him. We will add depth and it will be fine.

3. Schaub not starting the season may be the best thing that could happen for us. He isn't the future, and I feel with a full camp under his belt TJ will perform very well.

4. We will get better simply by having a full off-season and camp to work with the young players and further develop the defensive scheme. Look for the Texans to have the #1 defense in the league next year hands down.

5. Brooks Reed development is an issue? It will be a bonus.

6. Lastly, the Texans arent concerned with the Tacks, wont need to be for a few years.

[ThaShark316]

Originally Posted by Rey

Well, just based off of what I think will happen...

I think Mario will be gone, I don't think we are going to get a game breaking WR to play alongside AJ, I don't think Schaub will be healthy to start the season and then when he does play I'm not sure how he will play...I think that foot injury will affect his throwing some...

Our schedule is going to be harder...

I'm afraid that we are going to be rather casual or cavalier about this off-season and not aggresively try to get better. I hope (but fear we are) we don't fall into the trap of "well if we'd have just had Matt Schaub we'd have won the ship"...

I am worried about the tougher schedule we will be playing, Matt being out, Brooks Reed development, injuries that will inevitably happen, WR's, re-signing Myers/Briesel...Wade's second year defense stuff...Tennessee will likely be better...

I just hope they are still hungry down at reliant because this past year is just that...in the past and right now it doesn't mean a whole lot and it especially won't mean anything if we don't improve going forward. If you aren't getting better, you are getting worse...especially in the NFL.

Told y'all this fanbase can't handle success. A team that DIDN'T win it all will settle for finishing with a heartbreaking loss in the Divisional playoffs?