TJ Yates or Matt Schaub?

[Goatcheese]

[Hookem Horns]

Before I even make my comment I apologize, I have been extremely busy and don't have time to read the entire thread.

TJ did great for a 5th round rookie however after a few games he played as would be expected for a 5th round rookie. It's no knock on him all things considered. I strongly feel we would have beaten the Ravens with a competent QB like Schaub.

I am not a huge Shaub fan however personally I didn't see enough in TJ Yates to feel he should take over this team, at least not next season.

For one to be saying ditch Schaub and let's go with Yates is crazy IMO, especially because the team is so close.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by Hookem Horns

Before I even make my comment I apologize, I have been extremely busy and don't have time to read the entire thread.

TJ did great for a 5th round rookie however after a few games he played as would be expected for a 5th round rookie. It's no knock on him all things considered. I strongly feel we would have beaten the Ravens with a competent QB like Schaub.

I am not a huge Shaub fan however personally I didn't see enough in TJ Yates to feel he should take over this team, at least not next season.

For one to be saying ditch Schaub and let's go with Yates is crazy IMO, especially because the team is so close.

100% agreed, HH

[Perki-Perk]

This thread is crazy in my opinion. I've said time and again, were Shaub in that game, there is a high probability we would of been playing and subsequently beating the Patriots and landing ourselves in the Super Bowl. With our team on the cusp of great things, some of you would throw TJ to the wolves and rid yourselves of Shaub. I'm not a big fan (of Shaub), don't even own a Shaub jersey, but I certainly don't believe that TJ Yates is the answer....this year. Nor is Manning (Kubes and Head would bump heads and kill the chemistry on this team, also, imo) Shaub, if healthy, can get us there.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by Perki-Perk

This thread is crazy in my opinion. I've said time and again, were Shaub in that game, there is a high probability we would of been playing and subsequently beating the Patriots and landing ourselves in the Super Bowl. With our team on the cusp of great things, some of you would throw TJ to the wolves and rid yourselves of Shaub. I'm not a big fan (of Shaub), don't even own a Shaub jersey, but I certainly don't believe that TJ Yates is the answer....this year. Nor is Manning (Kubes and Head would bump heads and kill the chemistry on this team, also, imo) Shaub, if healthy, can get us there.

I can't go with you on this one cus Schaub has never won against the Ravens and lost to them earlier in the year. While Schaub may not have thrown 3 INT's he may have been sacked a whole heck of a lot. I don't think the Texans win if they do have Schaub at QB.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

I can't go with you on this one cus Schaub has never won against the Ravens and lost to them earlier in the year. While Schaub may not have thrown 3 INT's he may have been sacked a whole heck of a lot. I don't think the Texans win if they do have Schaub at QB.

Schaub was sacked 16 times this year in 10 full games, and we passed a lot more in those games. TJ was sacked 15 times in 6 games. You do the math.

[TEXANRED]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

Schaub was sacked 16 times this year in 10 full games, and we passed a lot more in those games. TJ was sacked 15 times in 6 games. You do the math.

My point was Schaub's lack of mobility compared to TJ's and the pass rush the Ravens provide.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

My point was Schaub's lack of mobility compared to TJ's and the pass rush the Ravens provide.

But athleticism is only one piece of the puzzle. Schaub makes smarter movements within the pocket and feels the pressure better. TJ is definitely more slippery but if you move in the wrong direction or realize you are going to need to move too late you're still taking as many if not more sacks.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Schaub makes smarter movements within the pocket and feels the pressure better.

That's never really been a strong point of Matt's game. Let's say this: Schaub does a better job of throwing the ball away. That's something TJ really needs to work on.

[b0ng]

I think the defense played a way better game the second time around, seconded by the oline and run game. It's not a foregone conclusion that Schaub would've won the game; don't think it would have hurt us.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by Lucky

That's never really been a strong point of Matt's game. Let's say this: Schaub does a better job of throwing the ball away. That's something TJ really needs to work on.

As opposed to play fake where I will compare Schaub to the top in the league, in this instance I only said better than TJ. Didn't say it was something he was great at, only better than the current competition in this discussion. And I will stand by that. Schaub senses the pressure and reacts to it better than TJ although less athletic. Now that additional athleticism absolutely saves TJ some sacks as well - of course that gets back to the age old question, would he have needed to move so fast if he had moved earlier or smarter.

[KA4Texan]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

So what's your plan if Schaub isn't ready week 1?

What if we have to P.U.P. him?

Who starts for that 9 weeks?

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Likely Yates unless they bring in another player at the position .... and there isnt much out there on the scrap heap that can beat Yates out of that #2 spot.

^This, there is a difference between Yates (or anyone else) filling in for Schaub and replacing Schaub altogether.

IF someone comes in to fill in for Schaub and gets it done better than Schaub consistency fine, discuss moving forward, BUT to scream replace with such a limited resume as Yates has right now in the NFL is as I stated in my opinion is foolish.

You don't hang your hat on a guy that did a good job "for a rookie" you hang your hat on the guy that did a good job. (without the "consideration" by that) and Schaub does a good job, is he the best, no, but all things considered we don't need a Manning or Brady. (insert any other QB that floats your boat) it would be nice sure, but not a necessity.

If he hadn't been a rookie thrown into the grinder so soon then I would have been just as angry with TJ as I was Jacoby. (If not more so)

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

As opposed to play fake where I will compare Schaub to the top in the league, in this instance I only said better than TJ. Didn't say it was something he was great at, only better than the current competition in this discussion. And I will stand by that. Schaub senses the pressure and reacts to it better than TJ although less athletic. Now that additional athleticism absolutely saves TJ some sacks as well - of course that gets back to the age old question, would he have needed to move so fast if he had moved earlier or smarter.

I think there is only one guy better in the league right now .... and there is no guarantee that guy plays another down in the NFL. There was a time not too long ago I thought Schaub could do a better job hiding the ball ... but after you pointed it out the last time , I went back and reviewed those plays .... I came away with a new opinion.

Schaubs play fakes are a big part of how Kubiak & Co's scheme's get guy's like #80 .... lost in space open.
I mean .... how else does a guy with three defenders having responsibility on him end up with no one within 10 yards of him ? Schaubs sells it well ....

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

My point was Schaub's lack of mobility compared to TJ's and the pass rush the Ravens provide.

I'd rather take a sack or throwing the ball away vs 3 ints

I love the people who talk about Yates' great mobility vs schaub's poor mobility but Yates was taking more sacks than schaub lol

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Likely Yates unless they bring in another player at the position .... and there isnt much out there on the scrap heap that can beat Yates out of that #2 spot.

Come tomorrow, Yates will be back in the third string position... After all, Peyton Manning will be released so he'll be our #1 with Lienart at the #2, while Matty "the Foot" continues to rehab!

[TexanSam]

Originally Posted by TEXANRED

My point was Schaub's lack of mobility compared to TJ's and the pass rush the Ravens provide.

IIIRC, the Texans offensive line absolutely dominated the Ravens pass rush. They couldn't get any pressure on TJ. It was their secondary that did him in that game. If Schaub were in there and had that same type of protection there's no doubt in my mind we would have won that game.

[Wolf]

IF I recall, the Texans averaged about 26 or so points a game with Schaub.

with TJ (understandably so as a rookie) what did we average? about 16 pr 17?

TJ needs some more seasoning

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Wolf

IF I recall, the Texans averaged about 26 or so points a game with Schaub.

with TJ (understandably so as a rookie) what did we average? about 16 pr 17?

TJ needs some more seasoning

The spread was just over 10 between the two iirc

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Wolf

IF I recall, the Texans averaged about 26 or so points a game with Schaub.

with TJ (understandably so as a rookie) what did we average? about 16 pr 17?

TJ needs some more seasoning

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

The spread was just over 10 between the two iirc

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Texans offense with Schaub 27.3ppg @ a 7-3 record. (.700)

Texans offense without Schaub 18ppg @ a 3-3 (.500) record.

[Norg]

Schaub is our starter unless he starts to really suck and costs us games then i think TJ should jump in


But yeah if schaub sucks this year like going 1-4 or 3-8 then year nothing matters anymore since we wont be making the playoffs if that happens