TJ Yates or Matt Schaub?

[KA4Texan]

IMO, you keep what got you there.

TJ did a great job for a rookie but let us not forget the last time we hung our franchise on a rookie QB far to soon.

Schaub did the bulk of the work, TJ did what needed to be done to make sure it wasn't in vein. IMO to hand it all over to him so soon would be foolish.

[Texan_Bill]

OP!!

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Premier

i could care less about schaubs PPG against all those bum ass teams the texans were beating up. schaub isnt putting up 33 PPG in the playoffs.. it amazes me how you folks seem to think that schaub some how grew a pair of nuts and would have "convincingly beat the ravens".. this guy is a scared QB, keep trying to deny that he tuns into a midget when the game gets tough..

schaub career 2 minute rating is <50 with more INTs than TDs...

I think you make some good points about Schaub's weaknesses. However, he is definitely the best thing we've got going at the QB position. It's hard to say we would have beat Baltimore if Schaub was playing, but after watching the game several times & seeing open receivers Tj did not, it is a plausible theory.

Again, you're points about Schaub (imo) is dead on & I don't see how anyone watching the game can not see this.

What you fail to see.... at least in appearance, is that Tj had his opportunity. He didn't "WOW" anyone. He played admirably, but not at the level of a QB that can/will replace Matt Schaub. Cam Newton..... if he looked like Cam Newton, you'd be right on.

Even in Cincinnati's loss, Dalton did not look as bad as Tj did versus Carolina, Tennessee, & Baltimore.

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Oh by the way .... 33 points against the Aints on the road ....even if it was a loss ....

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

We had two possessions where we could have pressed the Saints & extended our lead, putting them in a bad position of having to throw the ball... Didn't happen, Schaub & the offense folded. Our defense couldn't hold up as Brees Marched the Saints down the field & took over the game.

Originally Posted by Corrosion

Threads like this give us a good guage as to who's posts to read .... and who's to just skip over and move on. I feel dumber just having read some of this stuff ....

Sounds like you're a little closed minded. For the most part he wasn't offensive, presented his points. You chose not to agree with his take... nothing wrong with that, that's why we're here.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by KA4Texan

IMO, you keep what got you there.

TJ did a great job for a rookie but let us not forget the last time we hung our franchise on a rookie QB far to soon.

Schaub did the bulk of the work, TJ did what needed to be done to make sure it wasn't in vein. IMO to hand it all over to him so soon would be foolish.

So what's your plan if Schaub isn't ready week 1?

What if we have to P.U.P. him?

Who starts for that 9 weeks?

[HJam72]

Only way I would even consider starting Yates over a healthy Schaub is if someone somehow convinced me that our D kept getting better because Yates playing QB somehow improved it.

Yates will need at least of couple of more years before he's better than a healthy Schaub, and that's if it ever happens. I appreciate his efforts, but I don't see any current QB controversy at all.

[Texan_Bill]

Let's throw "Commander Cody" into the mix!!

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

So what's your plan if Schaub isn't ready week 1?

What if we have to P.U.P. him?

Who starts for that 9 weeks?

Yates is my plan day one. Matt is trade bait only.

[badboy]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Yates is my plan day one. Matt is trade bait only.

Thought you said in another thread that since Foster signed, Peyton Manning was coming here?

[Rey]

If I were the Texans (and if the lisfranc stuff I've read on the board is accurate), I'd seriously consider Peyton Manning...

That, or trading up for RG3 via a series of moves...

Right now, I don't feel great with Yates, Leinart or Schaub (because he may not be healthy)...

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

JJ muff = 7 points for Ravens and 0 points for a drive that should have been for the Texans. Take the 7 away and we are tied and go into OT, but who is to say we would not have ran the ball down their throat and scored, at least a FG. Texans win. JJ catches the ball clean and we win. Not only did it hand the opponent a TD, but completely changed the momentum of the game. Thats my opinion.

Originally Posted by ckhouston

If not for JJ it would have been a win and a SB trophy.

Originally Posted by ckhouston

If we arent behind, we arent throwing.

If your QB or team cant come back from being down 4 points only 5 minutes into the game you were never going to make it to the big show. Further Yates pick forcing the ball to Dre right after this fumble was FAR from the point in which we were forced to be throwing. Truth is Yates was at best "okay" for us this past season and your hate boner for Schaub is pulling your eyelids shut and you cant see how meh Yates was

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Yates won a playoff game. His resume already owns Schaubs.

Talk about a distinction for individual performance.

Schaub is a good, quality starter in a middle-high tier.

For all these stats 100 is average.

102 CMP%+ (16th)
130 Y/A+ (3rd)
109 TD%+ (6th)
113 INT%+ (10th)
116 Rate+ (5th)
124 Adjusted Yards Per Attempt (4th)
126 Net Yards Per Attempt (4th)
125 Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt (4th)

His completion percentage could be better, but generally he's a productive passer who keeps his INT% respectable despite putting the ball up almost 30 times a game. That's pretty good.

Basically anybody can pretty much ignore your opinion on Schaub since it's based in a fantasy world and not reality.

[HOU-TEX]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

OP!!

Not just the OP, bro. Are we having an influx from the HT board? It's getting really similar to the type of logic that we used to see over there.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by b0ng

Talk about a distinction for individual performance.

Schaub is a good, quality starter in a middle-high tier.

For all these stats 100 is average.

102 CMP%+ (16th)
130 Y/A+ (3rd)
109 TD%+ (6th)
113 INT%+ (10th)
116 Rate+ (5th)
124 Adjusted Yards Per Attempt (4th)
126 Net Yards Per Attempt (4th)
125 Adjusted Net Yards Per Attempt (4th)

His completion percentage could be better, but generally he's a productive passer who keeps his INT% respectable despite putting the ball up almost 30 times a game. That's pretty good.

Basically anybody can pretty much ignore your opinion on Schaub since it's based in a fantasy world and not reality.

I read posts like that (not yours - the ones suggests Yates is a better QB than Schaub) and want to punch myself in the junk...

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

I read posts like that (not yours - the ones suggests Yates is a better QB than Schaub) and want to punch myself in the junk...

I imagine most of these people also root for the Cowboys and regularly make dumb remarks on the internet about how Tony Romo is the problem with that team. Apparently fans of pro football teams in Texas hate their QB's unless they are

A. A backup

B. Roger Staubach

[Rey]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

If your QB or team cant come back from being down 4 points only 5 minutes into the game you were never going to make it to the big show. Further Yates pick forcing the ball to Dre right after this fumble was FAR from the point in which we were forced to be throwing. Truth is Yates was at best "okay" for us this past season and your hate boner for Schaub is pulling your eyelids shut and you cant see how meh Yates was

I'm big on momentum...That Jacoby fumble was a huge momentum swing...

We came out put up points, stopped them and then they get the ball right there basically on the goal line.

Yates was a rookie...He should get better...

Also, if I'm not mistaken Tom Brady threw 2 picks and had a 50 something QB rating against the Ravens and he was at Home...Patriots needed some serious fortune to go their way to win that game...

Earlier in the year when Matt played in Baltimore it wasn't all that pretty either...He didn't have any picks but he was sacked a few times and he only averaged about 6 YPC...

I agree that a healthy Matt gives us a better chance to win than TJ Yates though...

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Rey

I'm big on momentum...That Jacoby fumble was a huge momentum swing...

We came out put up points, stopped them and then they get the ball right there basically on the goal line.

Yates was a rookie...He should get better...

Also, if I'm not mistaken Tom Brady threw 2 picks and had a 50 something QB rating against the Ravens and he was at Home...Patriots needed some serious fortune to go their way to win that game...

Earlier in the year when Matt played in Baltimore it wasn't all that pretty either...He didn't have any picks but he was sacked a few times and he only averaged about 6 YPC...

I agree that a healthy Matt gives us a better chance to win than TJ Yates though...

Yates will never be Brady so lets stop with the absurd comments about the two. Huge momentum? We gave Yates a very very short field and we ended up with 3points. Like I said if being down 4 after 5 minutes of play ends your chances of winning your chances werent really good in the first place. Yates was a momentum killer all day, 3 ints and another 2-3 that should have been ints but the Ravens were not expecting balls to be hitting them in the chest/hands as often as the chances were coming in.

[Texan_Bill]

Originally Posted by HOU-TEX

Not just the OP, bro. Are we having an influx from the HT board? It's getting really similar to the type of logic that we used to see over there.

Right!!! That's exactly what it seems like.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by 2012Champs

Yates will never be Brady so lets stop with the absurd comments about the two.

Let's pull up on the "reading comprehensive knee jerk reactions". He didn't make a comparison of Yates to Brady. He mentioned Brady in the same paragraph... not the same thing.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Let's pull up on the "reading comprehensive knee jerk reactions". He didn't make a comparison of Yates to Brady. He mentioned Brady in the same paragraph... not the same thing.

Its something the yates homers certainly cling to

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

We had two possessions where we could have pressed the Saints & extended our lead, putting them in a bad position of having to throw the ball... Didn't happen, Schaub & the offense folded. Our defense couldn't hold up as Brees Marched the Saints down the field & took over the game.

Yep , they got FG's instead of TD's on a couple of those early drives that could have put the game away .... but they still put up 33 against a solid defensive team on the road. Also dont forget that the Texans #1 offensive option (Foster) was on the sidelines for this game.


And Brees had a whale of a game , especially in the second half .... multiple times he avoided sacks that would likely have crushed any chance of them coming away with a W ..... the other guy's get paid too and the defense didnt do them any favors giving up 23 points in the 4th quarter alone.

You score 33 , you expect to win .....

Sounds like you're a little closed minded. For the most part he wasn't offensive, presented his points. You chose not to agree with his take... nothing wrong with that, that's why we're here.

I may be a bit closed minded (sure I am - no sarcasm intended). No, he wasnt offensive ... but he completely disregarded any statistical comparison between the two and rather than presenting a point , I think he stated an opinion .... with no stats to back it up. .700 & .500 speak for themselves.

Schaub has his faults .... No , he's no Brady , Rogers or Brees .... but he's a much better QB at this point in his career than TJ Yates .... and long term , I think Yates can be the starter.

Every teams fans want their "Brady , Rogers or Brees" .... there are just so few of that calibur to go around .... and because Schaub is a notch or two below those guy's .... some are always looking to replace him with the next hot name. We would be more likely to end up with the next ..... Commander Cody than the next Joe Montana.

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

So what's your plan if Schaub isn't ready week 1?

What if we have to P.U.P. him?

Who starts for that 9 weeks?

Likely Yates unless they bring in another player at the position .... and there isnt much out there on the scrap heap that can beat Yates out of that #2 spot.