TJ Yates or Matt Schaub?

[b0ng]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

They were SB champs if JarJarBinks doesnt muff.

We are a defense and run first team.

Schaub isnt needed.

If the deciding point in a game comes in the first quarter, then your team has much more serious problems than just punt returns. Could easily put Schaub's name in that sentence and it has just as much merit.

Schaub needs to play, and play well in order for me to think he has earned an extension. If Yates beats Schaub out in camp then obviously don't extend Schaub, I just don't see that happening right now.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

They were SB champs if JarJarBinks doesnt muff.

We are a defense and run first team.

Schaub isnt needed.

If the queen had balls .... she'd be the king.

Originally Posted by WolverineFan

, Schaub gives us the best chance to win. .

There is no QB controversy....



/END THREAD.

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Two very different questions. The latter has an obvious answer: No, you don't start Yates unless Schaub is not healthy.

Whether the Texans should extend Schaub or not is more difficult. Extending Schaub would lower his cap number and allow the Texans more flexibility this offseason. It could also net the Texans a bargain, if Matt has a big season in 2012. Plus, Schaub would not be under the pressure of having to play for a contract.

But, extending Schaub could backfire. If his foot doesn't heal properly, Matt's lack of mobility could restrict the Texans ability to rollout on playaction. It could possibly even affect his throwing accuracy. Extending the contract could anchor the Texans to a QB they may have to bench. It's a worse case scenario, but possible.

I would allow Schaub to play out his last year on the contract. If he has a big year, great. Re-sign him or franchise tag him in 2013. If not, move on with Yates or find another QB. This might hurt the team's chances at re-signing Mario or possibly picking up a vet wideout in free agency. I just think it's too risky to tie Schaub to this franchise, with what we know.

Lucky's post is probably going to be the best answer in this thread. Schuab is not an all-time NFL great and has question surrounding him, but he is easily the best rostered QB option for the team in 2012.

Yates played well above what was expected of him, but the offense merely functioned with him at QB and was largley average or less in his starts. Could Yates develop into a real NFL starter at some point? yes, but has TJ even truly proven he is a better or than Leinert? Not really (he at least cheaper though).

[TexanSam]

You play the players who give you the best chance of winning. Schaub is a pretty obvious choice there. Unless his injury is worse than originally reported, Schaub will be the starting QB next year. If not, then we're probably in trouble. Yates did admirably coming in after Schaub and Leinart got hurt, but the guy never looked like a first string QB. I'd rather him develop on the bench, learning from the vets, because I don't think he could come in here next season and lead the team to a winning record.

[krocket]

The best solution for the Texans if they want a SB is to dump MattS and hire PManning. That is if Kubiak can take letting him make the calls. Peyton has never had a running game like Foster, Tate and Ward and never had a defense like ours was either for that matter. With AJ and maybe a FA, WR Peyton would shred opposing defenses.

That is if you want to win now! He wanted to come here so let him!

[Premier]

Originally Posted by redwhiteblue

If Schaub was starting that bengals game he doesn't need to come back in the 4th quarter because it would have been another blow out and we would have
put 30+ points up

i stand by my opinion that the game in cincy is the exact type of game schaub historically loses... there were some huge drops, key turnovers, including 1 at the goalline by tate, and a missed FG that lead to points for cincy.. even with all the mistakes, the texans found themselves in a position to win the game and yates lead his team downfield and won the game. not to mention without the guy who has been the common denominator to the few schaub GW/GT drives, andre johnson. im almost certain the only thing schaub has over yates at this point, is experience.

[Corrosion]

Originally Posted by Premier

i stand by my opinion that the game in cincy is the exact type of game schaub historically loses... there were some huge drops, key turnovers, including 1 at the goalline by tate, and a missed FG that lead to points for cincy.. even with all the mistakes, the texans found themselves in a position to win the game and yates lead his team downfield and won the game. not to mention without the guy who has been the common denominator to the few schaub GW/GT drives, andre johnson. im almost certain the only thing schaub has over yates at this point, is experience.

The difference in those types of games this season and in previous seasons ....



DEFENSE


/opinion refuted

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by ckhouston

Yates no doubt. Give him an off-season and camp with the starters and he will be the best product the Texans have put on the field at QB in the history of the franchise. Kid has fire, and is hungry, and wants to make up for what happened last year. Schaub is injury prone and coming off a tough heal. I think he has seen his last days as a starter unless the Skins take a flyer. Matt did ok here but didnt get us there. Thanks dude, but Yates is the future for now. Matt will end up like Carr, a career back-up.

Originally Posted by ckhouston

They were SB champs if JarJarBinks doesnt muff.

We are a defense and run first team.

Schaub isnt needed.

So we need not worry about throwing 3 INT's in a single playoff game? Yates has hit his full potential, he isn't a starter. If you're even questioning Schaub starting versus Yates you're drunk.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

The difference in those types of games this season and in previous seasons ....



DEFENSE


/opinion refuted

You speak truth. End of thread.

[EllisUnit]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

The difference in those types of games this season and in previous seasons ....



DEFENSE


/opinion refuted

AGREE, in the past Schaub would bring us back, then the Defense would give the other team no challenge and let them score at will and Schaub would have to bring us back again and again, funny how people seem to forget that and just like to blame the guy saying he isnt clutch.

[NastyNate]

Originally Posted by Premier

i stand by my opinion that the game in cincy is the exact type of game schaub historically loses... there were some huge drops, key turnovers, including 1 at the goalline by tate, and a missed FG that lead to points for cincy.. even with all the mistakes, the texans found themselves in a position to win the game and yates lead his team downfield and won the game. not to mention without the guy who has been the common denominator to the few schaub GW/GT drives, andre johnson. im almost certain the only thing schaub has over yates at this point, is experience.

No, not even close. Schaub doesn't hit the Safety wide open with no receiver in site. Schaub doesn't play the checkdown dance leading to the Arian Foster "fumble". Schaub murders their weak zone defense and would have had us up by 20 and Tate and Foster would have taken over by the third quarter.

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

Yates has hit his full potential

Ridiculous statement.

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by NastyNate

No, not even close. Schaub doesn't hit the Safety wide open with no receiver in site. Schaub doesn't play the checkdown dance leading to the Arian Foster "fumble". Schaub murders their weak zone defense and would have had us up by 20 and Tate and Foster would have taken over by the third quarter.

Matt? Is that you?

[Grams]

[quote=EllisUnit;1908899]AGREE, in the past Schaub would bring us back, then the Defense would give the other team no challenge and let them score at will and Schaub would have to bring us back again and again, funny how people seem to forget that and just like to blame the guy saying he isnt clutch.[/QUOTE]

Amen!!

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by krocket

The best solution for the Texans if they want a SB is to dump MattS and hire PManning. That is if Kubiak can take letting him make the calls. Peyton has never had a running game like Foster, Tate and Ward and never had a defense like ours was either for that matter. With AJ and maybe a FA, WR Peyton would shred opposing defenses.

That is if you want to win now! He wanted to come here so let him!

I love this kind of thinking.

Tj may very well start for the Texans because Schaub may not be healthy enough to start the season. So, we cut Schaub & bring in Peyton Manning.... a guy who may never play football again.

I do agree, the powers that be need to plan for a healthy Schaub, a Schaub that won't be ready to play week 1, & a Schaub that will never play again.

That option should be cheap, with a relatively fair chance of success.

We didn't make the AFC Championship game, because our QB threw 3 Interceptions & our defense did not create 1. Had Jj not fumbled that punt, we still would have lost if those two stats weren't changed.

I think the Texans have thought about our future & Matt Leinart is our answer. Not that Leinart is our future, he's our insurance. Leinart will compete with Yates for the job behind Schaub, just like Kubiak said.

Depending how the season turns out, Schaub takes us to the Promised land (this is a do or die season for Schaub), Leinart takes us, Tj takes us....... or we make moves in the 2013 offseason to find our starting QB.

[ArlingtonTexan]

Originally Posted by krocket

The best solution for the Texans if they want a SB is to dump MattS and hire PManning. That is if Kubiak can take letting him make the calls. Peyton has never had a running game like Foster, Tate and Ward and never had a defense like ours was either for that matter. With AJ and maybe a FA, WR Peyton would shred opposing defenses.

That is if you want to win now! He wanted to come here so let him!

Name the last short-term hired gun QB to win a Super Bowl.

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by Corrosion

I think with the Texans medical staff .... they can evaluate Schaub and project the health of his foot going forward ....

I guess that's the issue I left unsaid. I have zero confidence in the Texans medical staff in determining Schaub's long term prognosis. That's based upon case histories of Boselli, Domanick Davis, Charles Spencer, Jason Babin, etc. I don't know if they are even using the same doctors.

And while the largest component of leaning against extending Schaub is health issues, there is some questions about performance. Specifically, how will he handle playoff pressure. Though he was set to QB his first playoff game with a 7-3 record, Matt still is a playoff neophyte. We can assume how Schaub will perform. But, we don't know. Playoff pressure. The pressure of playing for a contract. The pressure of expectations. The pressure of returning from injury. Matt Schaub has a lot to prove this season. I'd like to see him prove it prior to giving him another long term deal.

[Honoring Earl 34]

Of the two Schaub is the better choice now . In two years I'm not sure I think either one are the type to be an elite QB .

1. Matt has average physical tools at best and he does get injured .

2. TJ has better tools than Matt physically but that's not saying much . The jury is still out on TJ .

At the end of the day neither will make you forget about the top tier QBs but they just have to be Phil Simms the way this teams built .

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

We didn't make the AFC Championship game, because our QB threw 3 Interceptions & our defense did not create 1. Had Jj not fumbled that punt, we still would have lost if those two stats weren't changed.

JJ muff = 7 points for Ravens and 0 points for a drive that should have been for the Texans. Take the 7 away and we are tied and go into OT, but who is to say we would not have ran the ball down their throat and scored, at least a FG. Texans win. JJ catches the ball clean and we win. Not only did it hand the opponent a TD, but completely changed the momentum of the game. Thats my opinion.

[ckhouston]

Originally Posted by Honoring Earl 34

Of the two Schaub is the better choice now . In two years I'm not sure I think either one are the type to be an elite QB .

1. Matt has average physical tools at best and he does get injured .

2. TJ has better tools than Matt physically but that's not saying much . The jury is still out on TJ .

At the end of the day neither will make you forget about the top tier QBs but they just have to be Phil Simms the way this teams built .

I agree with most of that.

I think Yates mistakes were mental and came from lack of NFL in-game experience, so would hope that with a full camp with the first team and an off-season to work on his deficiencies, he would be a better QB. Couple that with him being a superior athelete and having better physical tools, I would have to give him the slight edge.

I would hate to hang my hat on a QB that could go down at any time just from being in the general area of a gnat fart. (See Matt Schaub).

I like the Simms analogy, but think Dilfer would be more accurate. Just manage the game and hand-off to the RB's ... Wade and the boys will do the rest.