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Old 02-27-2012   #21
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I hope Caldwell can play center as he has not impressed me as a guard.
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This is the bad part of success unfortunately
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I don't see the point in it.
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This is the bad part of success unfortunately
Like my good friend once stated in a lyrical composition: Mo money, mo problems.

If we lose Myers, then let's "go Konz-o" in the first round.

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I don't see the point in it.
How'd ya mean Gary? You don't see the point in a team illegally talking to Chris Myers/his agent early?

If that wasn't what you were referring to then put me right but I'll try and have a crack at explaining it;

Basically, they all know that as soon as FA starts it becomes a free-for-all to sign the guy, your offer of a visit gets chucked in the pile with every other team in need of the #1 ranked center in the league.

What if they schedule your visit just after the visit with Washington, but the Redskins make a great impression on the guy you're after and the money they offer is over what he expected to be offered, and he's already signed on the dotted line before you even get to speak with him?

What if his current team (in this case us) is his only real interest and you spend your time putting aside a boatload of cash to pursue him, lose your current center who's also pretty good and end up in a bind yourself?

There are a lot of positives to talking to prospective free agents before anyone is allowed to that could be as much as securing his services ahead of time all the way down to simply finding out that it isn't worth your time and effort to pursue him when FA does start.
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Like my good friend once stated in a lyrical composition: Mo money, mo problems.

If we lose Myers, then let's "go Konz-o" in the first round.

Next. Man. Up.
I really like this as our backup plan, of course you'd prefer to keep hold of your own guy but its nice to know there's someone we could take who has a good chance of working out.
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All of this is why I'm in full support of going OL in the first round. If I'm not mistaken Briesel is a guy who can play center too? There are alot of centers in this draft and I like the kid from Wisconsin at #26. We can get WR in round 2.
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How'd ya mean Gary? You don't see the point in a team illegally talking to Chris Myers/his agent early?

If that wasn't what you were referring to then put me right but I'll try and have a crack at explaining it;

Basically, they all know that as soon as FA starts it becomes a free-for-all to sign the guy, your offer of a visit gets chucked in the pile with every other team in need of the #1 ranked center in the league.

What if they schedule your visit just after the visit with Washington, but the Redskins make a great impression on the guy you're after and the money they offer is over what he expected to be offered, and he's already signed on the dotted line before you even get to speak with him?

What if his current team (in this case us) is his only real interest and you spend your time putting aside a boatload of cash to pursue him, lose your current center who's also pretty good and end up in a bind yourself?

There are a lot of positives to talking to prospective free agents before anyone is allowed to that could be as much as securing his services ahead of time all the way down to simply finding out that it isn't worth your time and effort to pursue him when FA does start.
All fine and good but still not worth the trouble though IMHO.
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All of this is why I'm in full support of going OL in the first round. If I'm not mistaken Briesel is a guy who can play center too? There are alot of centers in this draft and I like the kid from Wisconsin at #26. We can get WR in round 2.
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I really like this as our backup plan, of course you'd prefer to keep hold of your own guy but its nice to know there's someone we could take who has a good chance of working out.
Well, that's IF Konz is even still on the board at #26. Some teams are not going to draft the sexy pick (QB, WR, RB, CB, S, etc.) and at that point a guy like Konz could be on somebody's radar.

IF we lost Myers and needed a quality long-term center, is Konz that guy? Is a Day 1 starter like a JJ Watt was last year? If he's THAT good, teams will be gunning for him. Will Smithiak be willing to trade up for him IF he's that good and IF he's a hot commodity on draft day? Lots of "if's" going on, for sure.

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All fine and good but still not worth the trouble though IMHO.
These guys are trying to put their toe on the line, and even dangle it OVER the line if it means they get an edge on the competition. Happens all the time. It's the old "if you're not cheating, you're not trying" approach. Is it worth it? Probably not. Is somebody foolish enough to try it? Absolutely.

I'd love it if Green Bay got popped for tampering, but I doubt it happens. All teams, to a degree, do a little toe-dangling on this issue. I would imagine that the Texans have let Green Bay's people know that it's onto them and any more of this type of stuff will not be tolerated. Texans are onto this, for sure--Bob McNair, IIRC, personally initiated a meeting with Goodell over the whole Brian Cushing saga, I'd imagine they've gone to bat with the League Office over the Chris Myers/Green Bay thing too.
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It definitely is worth the effort, certainly a lot less effort than making your case when the bullets start flying in FA.

It happens all the time in soccer, Christiano Ronaldo was tapped up for 2 years before he moved to Real, Reyes, Anelka, Fabregas, all deals where the player had agreed to join long before the clubs had agreed a fee.

Also, if the current club makes an offer between now and free agency, Myers could well choose to sign that if he thinks it meets his own valuation, but GB, given their current C is demanding $7.5m reportedly, may be able to far outstrip that offer whilst making a significant saving on their current player and upgrading the position.

There's a lot at stake so its hardly surprising.

And btw, cases of 'tapping up' are extremely hard to prove outright, I'd be very surprised if the Texans are able to force the league to take any action against GB.
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There is a possibility that we would get GB's 6th round pick out of this. Didn't the Lions lose a pick to the Chiefs a year or two ago for talking midseason about getting some chiefs defenders?

I think GB is talking to Myers because apparently Scott Wells wants like $7.5million a year.
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There is a possibility that we would get GB's 6th round pick out of this. Didn't the Lions lose a pick to the Chiefs a year or two ago for talking midseason about getting some chiefs defenders?

I think GB is talking to Myers because apparently Scott Wells wants like $7.5million a year.
And Myers is higher rated, no? Interesting contract numbers.
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Guessig that Myer's people let it slip?
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I don't see the Texans drafting an interior lineman #1 almost nearly any circumstance. What in Kubes history suggests such a thing? Sometimes I think you guys just make stuff up. He builds his offense from the outside in. Just look at the guys we are talking about. Myers was secured for a #6 pick and Mike B was an NFL Europe guy was was not ever drafted.

I could see as high as a #2 if we lost both Mike B and Chris M but I would hope we would snare a vet or two as well if the bloodletting was that bad.
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I don't see the Texans drafting an interior lineman #1 almost nearly any circumstance. What in Kubes history suggests such a thing? Sometimes I think you guys just make stuff up. He builds his offense from the outside in. Just look at the guys we are talking about. Myers was secured for a #6 pick and Mike B was an NFL Europe guy was was not ever drafted.

I could see as high as a #2 if we lost both Mike B and Chris M but I would hope we would snare a vet or two as well if the bloodletting was that bad.
Well, there is not enough evidence to conclude in anyway what offensive positions the Kubiak Texans will draft early considering they have taken on 1 player in the 1st round (Brown) and one in the 2nd (Tate).

At some point talent and need will dictate that more investment will be needed in offense whether it be $$$ or draft picks.
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Is Jeff Saturday retiring?

Would he be a good fit here if we lose Myers?
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Would be great if Decastro would drop near 26
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I would faint. Guy is the next Steve Hutchinson. Will not happen though unfortunately...
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Guessig that Myer's people let it slip?
What would be awesome is if Myers knows he wants to retire a Texan and he's trying to help the team out by getting some draft picks via tampering. Maybe we could snag the Packers 5th over this...
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I guess I am just a play by the rules type.
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