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Old 02-29-2012   #81
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yeah, i just don't understand how teams continue to let the 40 time ruin the whole draft scouting process. The league & its history are riddled with guys that don't have what you would call elite speed. but those same guys show a knack for being able to get open. Jerry Rice, Micheal Irvin, Rod Smith, Larry Fitzgerald, Wes Welker & the 2 guys i most associate this kid to..Anquan Boldin & Marques Colston.

I really hope we're seriously targeting this kid somewhere in the 1st or 2nd. My only fear is that SF, Tenn, Jax, TB or worse ......NE / NO snatch him up before us.
Agreed about the speed thing

Toon is a little too injury pron for my liking. He should be availabe and a bargain in the 3rd/4th rd.

Another guy that uyou're describing that I like alot is Danny Coale. My #1 guy for the Texans is Randle. He ran a 4.55 be is much faster than that in pads. In/Out of his breaks.
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Scout.com doesn't list Hill in the top 50 players. Wouldn't you be upset if the Texans picked someone not in the top 50 at 26?
They're not real scouts. They're internet scouts. And, they're not the Texans scouts. So no, I wouldn't be upset if the Texans didn't draft off of an internet draft board.
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They're not real scouts. They're internet scouts. And, they're not the Texans scouts. So no, I wouldn't be upset if the Texans didn't draft off of an internet draft board.
Does anyone have him ranked in the top 32? Anyone have him rated higher than Floyd? or Sanu?

I like that he is athletic.. & his combine numbers show he's explosive. If our coaches believe they can "correct" his catching mechanics, I have no problem drafting this guy, even with our first. Especially if his run blocking (from the receiver position) is as polished as has been mentioned here.

You can teach a person how to catch, how to run routes. You can't teach 4.3 speed, or 6'4", or 215lbs. This is freak territory.... elite athlete. The coaches have to do their job to make him an elite football player.
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Does anyone have him ranked in the top 32?
Define "anyone"? Anyone with a web site? Or anyone who is making decisions for a NFL franchise? Don't care about the former, and we'll find out about the latter.
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Does anyone have him ranked in the top 32? Anyone have him rated higher than Floyd? or Sanu?
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-d...d-reuter/90101

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012_1.php

Peter King: The receiver order: Looks like Justin Blackmon and Michael Floyd of Notre Dame will be the only wideouts in round one, unless Hill sneaks in there. Reuben Randle of LSU and Rutgers' Mohamed Sanu (the Bucs and new coach Greg Schiano want him) could go 4-5 unless Baylor's Kendall Wright overcomes a lousy combine.
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Heyward-Bey didn't get overrated..... he got Al Davis'd..... I think that's a different case all together.
The top 2 WRs from the '09 draft have been Hakeem Nicks and Mike Wallace. Wallace ran a 4.33 forty at the combine, .03 seconds slower than Heyward-Bey. Wallace's stats in college were similar to Heyward-Bey. His speed was similar to Heyward-Bey. Yet, Wallace lasted until the 3rd round to Pittsburgh. Had Davis drafted Wallace in the top 10, rather than Heyward-Bey, draftniks would have screamed "Reach!". And he would have come up with one of the premier deep threats in the league.

Lesson? It doesn't matter if a team drafts off past performance or athletic ability or some combo of the two. What matters is getting the pick right. It's the only thing that counts.
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Agreed about the speed thing

Toon is a little too injury pron for my liking. He should be availabe and a bargain in the 3rd/4th rd.

Another guy that uyou're describing that I like alot is Danny Coale. My #1 guy for the Texans is Randle. He ran a 4.55 be is much faster than that in pads. In/Out of his breaks.
thats the other part. Some people run fast in under armor gear but lose a lot of speed with pads on. Some lose little or none. Kendal Wright rana a slow 40, but I watched almost every Baylor game this year and he plays VERY fast.
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Scout has Hill rated as the 7th best WR behind both Sanu & Randle. How would you feel if the Texans selected Hill before both?

Scout.com doesn't list Hill in the top 50 players. Wouldn't you be upset if the Texans picked someone not in the top 50 at 26?
I'm sure those guys speak on behalf of NFL teams...

CBS has him ranked in the top 5
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft

NFL Draft Scout has him ranked in the top 5 as well
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...xpos&order=ASC

Scout.com apparently hasn't even updated anything since the combine. I heard somewhere that teams were turned off of Alshon Jeffery after his interviews. Not sure how much weight that carries. But Hill's draft stock seemed to have improved after the combine (from workouts and interviews).
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Agreed about the speed thing

Toon is a little too injury pron for my liking. He should be availabe and a bargain in the 3rd/4th rd.Another guy that uyou're describing that I like alot is Danny Coale. My #1 guy for the Texans is Randle. He ran a 4.55 be is much faster than that in pads. In/Out of his breaks.
Curious, if a player is injury prone why is he a value at any round? Unless you're saying the risk of injury is proportional to the pick?
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Does anyone have him ranked in the top 32? Anyone have him rated higher than Floyd? or Sanu?

I like that he is athletic.. & his combine numbers show he's explosive. If our coaches believe they can "correct" his catching mechanics, I have no problem drafting this guy, even with our first. Especially if his run blocking (from the receiver position) is as polished as has been mentioned here.

You can teach a person how to catch, how to run routes. You can't teach 4.3 speed, or 6'4", or 215lbs. This is freak territory.... elite athlete. The coaches have to do their job to make him an elite football player.
TK are you saying everyone but JJ and Trindon Holliday?
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thats the other part. Some people run fast in under armor gear but lose a lot of speed with pads on. Some lose little or none. Kendal Wright rana a slow 40, but I watched almost every Baylor game this year and he plays VERY fast.
Let's not forget an electronic system clocked Wright at 4.45. 610 KILT mentioned that Tuesday morning.
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Let's not forget an electronic system clocked Wright at 4.45. 610 KILT mentioned that Tuesday morning.
I heard a few hand times at 4.47, too.
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The top 2 WRs from the '09 draft have been Hakeem Nicks and Mike Wallace. Wallace ran a 4.33 forty at the combine, .03 seconds slower than Heyward-Bey. Wallace's stats in college were similar to Heyward-Bey. His speed was similar to Heyward-Bey. Yet, Wallace lasted until the 3rd round to Pittsburgh. Had Davis drafted Wallace in the top 10, rather than Heyward-Bey, draftniks would have screamed "Reach!". And he would have come up with one of the premier deep threats in the league.

Lesson? It doesn't matter if a team drafts off past performance or athletic ability or some combo of the two. What matters is getting the pick right. It's the only thing that counts.
Or..... he would have got Jamarcus Russelled; he would not have had much success, the coaches didn't "seem" to care, the players didn't "seem" to care; Wallace may very well have been out of the league by now.

Heyward-bey may have ended up being the Steelers third round pick & 31 teams would be salivating at the thoughts of picking him up in FA while the Steelers try to find as much money as they can to sign him to a long term deal.

I personally think we've got good coaches here. I think the culture we have in Houston inspires everyone to be all they can be. I would have no problem bringing that kind of talent into this team, because you're not going to get it in the 3rd....
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Or..... he would have got Jamarcus Russelled; he would not have had much success, the coaches didn't "seem" to care, the players didn't "seem" to care; Wallace may very well have been out of the league by now.
I do believe there is a nature vs nurture component in evaluating draft choices. Though your example is beyond extreme. Asomugha excelled in Oakland despite the chaos around him. Talent and desire eventually shine through.

I think a team should lean to drafting to their system, as long as they aren't passing on an extraordinary talent. If a player is great, you need to find a place for him in your system. Andre Johnson would be great in any system. Patrick Willis, the same. You find a place for a player like that. Otherwise, draft the best player that fits your organization.
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You can teach a person how to catch, how to run routes. You can't teach 4.3 speed, or 6'4", or 215lbs. This is freak territory.... elite athlete.
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I'm sure those guys speak on behalf of NFL teams...

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