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Old 03-06-2012   #81
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Within two weeks we will welcome Peyton Manning to the Texans. Just a hunch.
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Within two weeks we will welcome Peyton Manning to the Texans. Just a hunch.
I am not ready to trade in the 31 year old with a foot injury for the 35 year old with the neck injury.
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Now, let's look at where we may be with Schaub.

Of course, Schaub could have a perfectly functional recovery. No one can say positively otherwise at this point. But all of the stars will have to be in very accomodating alignment. He has quite a number of obstacles he must overcome. Regaining movement. Overcoming usually significant pain.......sometimes chronic, permanent and debilitating. Avoiding the fear of re-injury. Avoiding re-injury.......even when not playing against Haynesworth. Being able to maximize stress on his back plant leg while passing. Pushing off during play action or avoiding the rush.

Yes, Schaub will be able to return to the field at one point in time. But for how long and how functional?...........maybe for a couple of days after which he and the coaches decide it isn't going to "happen"...............or for a couple of Super Bowls...............or somewhere in between. Although we have been told that he suffered several fractures in his Lisfranc injury, we don't really have all the details of his injury, which makes predictions that much more difficult to offer. One thing we do know is that ANY Lisfranc injury is very serious injury for all of those that must at least walk around for a living.
I hope (& I do imagine) Someone has explained all this to Kubiak/Smith with as much detail & caution as you have for us; and that they act accordingly.
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I am not ready to trade in the 31 year old with a foot injury for the 35 year old with the neck injury.
You do realize that the procedure Manning had done...players return and continue to play without the type of risk that you think would inherently occur.

The type of injury Matt sustained, it's the opposite.

You have the risk/reward scenario backwards. There's a better chance of Manning playing 3 or 4 more years than Schaub (a) returning at all, and (b) being a QB1 in the NFL in 2013.

Not trying to advocate us acquiring Manning, just saying that he has a much, much better chance than Schaub in the NFL now.
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I hope (& I do imagine) Someone has explained all this to Kubiak/Smith with as much detail & caution as you have for us; and that they act accordingly.
One thing about Kubiak: He never gives up on anybody.

Remember how he paid a personal visit down to Beaux Bridge, LA, to ask Domanick Davis (Williams) if he wanted to give 'er the old college try the first year of Kubiak being our HC? Domanick said, "Thanks coach, but I'm done."

Kubiak had to have known he was likely done, but he still took the trip and shook the guy's hand and asked him if he wanted to try 'er again.

Ya' know, that right there tells you what kind of person Kubiak is. From that personal visit, to sticking with the Travis Johnsons and the Amobi Okoyes as long as he did. Continuing to stick with Jacoby "Punt Muffin" Jones in the divisional round of the playoffs. He's a loyal and patient man.

So I expect Kubiak to give Matt Schaub every opportunity, when the time comes, to see if Matt can give 'er another go. I think that's going to happen after the midway part of the reg season, and only in relief of Yates after we've got a lead and it gives something for Matt to work with rather than asking him to win a game or something. Just a hunch. Then again, I said we would tag Foster before Monday's deadline so what do I know....LOL.
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CnD should be writing for one of the major sports media outlets. He makes the complex easily understood.

Can you imagine the sort of insight a sports media outlet could offer fans if they had a "From The Doc" column every week? He could enlighten fans on the latest injury sustained by some player from Sunday's game. Fantasy Football sites, alone, could garner a pretty good click rate off his columns.

But, he's our secret weapon. Thanks for all you do, doc. I couldn't give you rep because I haven't spread it around enough. But I tried.
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From that personal visit, to sticking with the Travis Johnsons and the Amobi Okoyes as long as he did. Continuing to stick with Jacoby "Punt Muffin" Jones in the divisional round of the playoffs. He's a loyal and patient man.
I definitely don't agree that was the reason we stayed with Tj & Amobi for so long. Aside from drafting a DT with a top 10 pick, we've been running DTs through this club like nobody's business. Just hadn't been able to replace them, given what else we deal with.
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I seriously doubt Schaub will be ready and able in May as Kubiak said, but I would imagine that he is saying that for other reasons. What free agent WR is going to want to come to Houston if our QB might be out for a long time? Would Mario want to come back if he thought Schaub would miss significant time? How could Rick sell anyone on Super Bowl chances with TJ Yates as the starter? We saw how far he could take the team last year. Anyways, I expect May to come and go with Schaubs status being "he's progressing nicely"
Or something else equally vague.
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I definitely don't agree that was the reason we stayed with Tj & Amobi for so long. Aside from drafting a DT with a top 10 pick, we've been running DTs through this club like nobody's business. Just hadn't been able to replace them, given what else we deal with.
Most places are so strapped to produce a winner, for an impatient owner, that they dump guys FAST if they're not working out on schedule for them.

You and I know, as do others here, that at the end of the 2010 season there was wide discontentment from the majority of people who were needing something, anything, by McNair to show that we would move on and be a winner for a change. And that involved switching the defense style, grabbing two free agents on defense, and going 99% all defense in the draft.

I think the whole organizational climate or culture of the Texans is built on slow and steady, don't rock the boat. I used to work for two organizations that had change at a glacial pace...so I can spot it from a mile away in a place like the Texans.

Kubiak fits into that culture very well. And it's paying off. Don't get me wrong. But when you have a slow and steady culture, you're going to stick with "wrong mechanisms" longer than normal. That's all I'm saying'...
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I seriously doubt Schaub will be ready and able in May as Kubiak said, but I would imagine that he is saying that for other reasons. What free agent WR is going to want to come to Houston if our QB might be out for a long time? Would Mario want to come back if he thought Schaub would miss significant time? How could Rick sell anyone on Super Bowl chances with TJ Yates as the starter? We saw how far he could take the team last year. Anyways, I expect May to come and go with Schaubs status being "he's progressing nicely"
Or something else equally vague.
Absolutely. One thing Kubiak does well is he knows how to say the right things...not necessarily the truth, but the "right things" instead. For his employer, the Texans, he's covering all bases and saying the right things.

Kubiak is going to be the Texans HC for a very long time, IMO.
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With all of the negative possibilities mentioned here can we really pass on attempting to sign Peyton Manning and going for the whole enchilada now?
If Schaub recovers he still isn't the QB that Peyton is (if he is healthy). TJ has not shown me that he can take over at this point and move us to the SB but a healthy PM could.

Just an aside, if Mario walks out do we get a compensatory pick ?
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With all of the negative possibilities mentioned here can we really pass on attempting to sign Peyton Manning and going for the whole enchilada now?
If Schaub recovers he still isn't the QB that Peyton is (if he is healthy). TJ has not shown me that he can take over at this point and move us to the SB but a healthy PM could.

Just an aside, if Mario walks out do we get a compensatory pick ?
Would this team wreck the salary cap for Peyton Manning and not Mario Williams? There's two big "If's" for the Texans and Peyton Manning:

"If" Manning is healthy.
"If" Manning is willing to play for a significantly less amount of money than other teams would pay him.

If you can imagine all of that working out in the Texans favor then sure, sign Manning win superbowls.
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Would this team wreck the salary cap for Peyton Manning and not Mario Williams? There's two big "If's" for the Texans and Peyton Manning:

"If" Manning is healthy.
"If" Manning is willing to play for a significantly less amount of money than other teams would pay him.

If you can imagine all of that working out in the Texans favor then sure, sign Manning win superbowls.
They wouldn't need to wreck the cap. Manning has already been quoted as saying he will sign an incentive based contract and not want guaranteed money. It would actually benefit our cap space to sign him and trade Schaub.
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They wouldn't need to wreck the cap. Manning has already been quoted as saying he will sign an incentive based contract and not want guaranteed money. It would actually benefit our cap space to sign him and trade Schaub.
Still falls into the 2nd if:

"If" Manning is willing to play for a significantly less amount of money than other teams are offering him.
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Still falls into the 2nd if:

"If" Manning is willing to play for a significantly less amount of money than other teams are offering him.
True. I think he will go to a contender and wouldn't mind if it ends up being us. He wants a strong and stable front office I am hearing so we may fit that requirement. One interesting thing mentioned earlier is that he always learned the offense system of whatever team going into each pro-bowl and played their system not his. That tells me he could adapt, which was one of the things I was concerned about. Any team in our position would be foolish not to see if he is interested.
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They wouldn't need to wreck the cap. Manning has already been quoted as saying he will sign an incentive based contract and not want guaranteed money. It would actually benefit our cap space to sign him and trade Schaub.
You are aware that anything considered a "Likely to be earned" incentive would be counted against the 2012 cap amount? Now for a player coming off a year that was completely missed due to injury, the criteria for what's likely to be earned isn't cut and dry, but he it would necessarily be the equivalent of Manning working for a year at veteran minimum.

Even if he didn't end up reaching one or more of those incentives, the salary cap wouldn't be credited until 2013.
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You are aware that anything considered a "Likely to be earned" incentive would be counted against the 2012 cap amount, and not be the equivalent of Manning working for free for a year?

Even if he didn't end up reaching one or more of those incentives, the salary cap wouldn't be credited until 2013.
No I didn't realize that. Thanks for clearing it up.
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No I didn't realize that. Thanks for clearing it up.
Modified my preceding post for clarity, but I'll also add that it won't matter. Maybe Peyton would be willing to work for an incentive laden contract, but somebody that he wants to play for will be willing to give him enough guaranteed jack, that it will never happen.
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Modified my preceding post for clarity, but I'll also add that it won't matter. Maybe Peyton would be willing to work for an incentive laden contract, but somebody that he wants to play for will be willing to give him enough guaranteed jack, that it will never happen.
I seriously doubt money has any bearing in where he plays. I can see him deciding where he wants to be, and telling his agent to just make it happen. I think his priority is winning, at all costs.
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I seriously doubt money has any bearing in where he plays. I can see him deciding where he wants to be, and telling his agent to just make it happen. I think his priority is winning, at all costs.
So you think Peyton will choose one team and negotiate with them exclusively? First, even if there is one team he wants to play for, it's going to be pretty easy to create some sort of bidding war for his services, and he's way too smart not to make that happen. He also has a pretty big ego. While playing for a team he can win another Super Bowl with may be his highest priority, you know he believes that with him at QB, there's several teams that fit that criteria.

Finally, if he does indeed "Tell his agent to just make it happen", he has then put the process in the hands of the one participant who is motivated almost exclusively by money.
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