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Old 02-25-2012   #21
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According to this article it was - Grade III sprain: Complete disruption of ligament; could include a fracture dislocation.
Grade III.

It's late February and Schaub invites Kubiak to play golf....which is roughly about 10 weeks after he had surgery on it (back in December, I think). He had to be off it completely for a minimum of 6 weeks after surgery.

So roughly four weeks after his potential 6-weeks non-weight- bearing period was over, he's ready to hoof it around a golf course and put strain on it by hitting drives and irons???

Me thinks Schaub was being funny, like "Hey coach, let's go shoot a round of golf" and Kubiak tells the media in a way that we don't know if he was serious, joking, or what. I think this is a bunch of fun being poked at a hyped-up social media crowd.

They're probably ROFL at us as they watch us pick apart the statement in this thread. LOL.
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By saying that Schaub will be ready to go in May, the Texans may be setting up a more open trade discussion for his services. Players cannot be traded if they are injured, so if it looks like he will be cleared before the draft other teams can start to make offers. I like it.
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By saying that Schaub will be ready to go in May, the Texans may be setting up a more open trade discussion for his services. Players cannot be traded if they are injured, so if it looks like he will be cleared before the draft other teams can start to make offers. I like it.
I don't think anybody in the Texans organization would seek to trade him.

And a smart team would wait to see how well Schaub played in 2012, to see if he's really suitable to play again, before attempting to acquire him. By trading with the Texans sometime between now and reg season, a new team acquiring Schaub assumes the risk 100%. Why not let the Texans assume that risk?

Therefore, the earliest a team would attempt a trade for him would be right at the trade deadline. But would he be back by then, what would be his body of work in the few games he might've played in up to that point?

No, I think he'll be here all year. He'll be a free agent in 2013, and teams won't have to possibly waste a draft pick or one of their own players to get Schaub. IF they even felt he was worth targeting to begin with.

This is why I say Schaub has almost insurmountable odds to overcome. He's in No Man's Land with the grade III LisFranc and in his final year of contract.
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Leinart broke the same clavicle vs. Jags that he had broken previously when he was with the Cards. He could be a camp release based on the probability of injury reoccurrence AND lackluster performance versus Jags.
Or he could go on to 215 consecutive starts (or however many games Brees has started).

& Lackluster... He looked as proficient in this system as Schaub did in Cleveland & Tennessee; something I believe HOUSTON TEXANS HEAD COACH GARY KUBIAK (not of the same esteem as Lombardi whom you quoted) values quite a bit.

Had Leinart finished that game, we likely would have scored in the high 30s. Had Leinart finished the season, our offense most likely would have stayed in the top 5. Had Leinart finished the game, we would have averaged more than 16 ppg in those final games.

When we say Tj Yates isn't ready to start, what do we mean? He can't read a defense, he can't go through his progressions, he's throwing the ball down-field despite triple coverage..... When Schaub does it, we call it "efficient' & "ball security" & "a chance to win any game." When Leinart does it, we call it "lackluster"

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I can't understand how people have come to a conclusion after 1 half of a game where frankly, Leinart played decently. Like, either way, good or bad conclusions. He didn't set any fires or put any fires out. It was 1 half. 1.

I think we all know that the Texan's will shine up any injury and make it look like it wasn't that bad. I think we all know Schaub still has a long way to go.
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I'd love to have Schaub back for training camp, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still of the opinion he will miss a huge part of the pre-season and possibly even the start of the regular season. I'd love to be proven wrong on that.
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Leinart is awful. Period.

I won't exhaust myself trying to change people's minds.
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I'd love to have Schaub back for training camp, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still of the opinion he will miss a huge part of the pre-season and possibly even the start of the regular season. I'd love to be proven wrong on that.
But you're a Schaub Hater! You MUST not say these things, Thorn.

I mean, we have Kubiak saying Schaub is wanting to play a round of golf already! He's actually running wind sprints right now, with JJ Watt riding piggy back. And ankle weights. In the desert.
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Or he could go on to 215 consecutive starts (or however many games Brees has started).

& Lackluster... He looked as proficient in this system as Schaub did in Cleveland & Tennessee; something I believe HOUSTON TEXANS HEAD COACH GARY KUBIAK (not of the same esteem as Lombardi whom you quoted) values quite a bit.

Had Leinart finished that game, we likely would have scored in the high 30s. Had Leinart finished the season, our offense most likely would have stayed in the top 5. Had Leinart finished the game, we would have averaged more than 16 ppg in those final games.

When we say Tj Yates isn't ready to start, what do we mean? He can't read a defense, he can't go through his progressions, he's throwing the ball down-field despite triple coverage..... When Schaub does it, we call it "efficient' & "ball security" & "a chance to win any game." When Leinart does it, we call it "lackluster"

Lombardi.... pfft.

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I'd love to have Schaub back for training camp, but I'll believe it when I see it. I'm still of the opinion he will miss a huge part of the pre-season and possibly even the start of the regular season. I'd love to be proven wrong on that.
Why would Schaub miss any regular-season games? He's already been out a long time and is progressing ahead of schedule after the surgery and rehab. I can't imagine him not being ready. People keep mentioning other players with the same injury and always sound so pessimistic. Schaub is fine and is ready to lead this team to the Super Bowl.
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Why would Schaub miss any regular-season games? He's already been out a long time and is progressing ahead of schedule after the surgery and rehab. I can't imagine him not being ready. People keep mentioning other players with the same injury and always sound so pessimistic. Schaub is fine and is ready to lead this team to the Super Bowl.
Is this National Not Sure If Serious Day?

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Grade III.

It's late February and Schaub invites Kubiak to play golf....which is roughly about 10 weeks after he had surgery on it (back in December, I think). He had to be off it completely for a minimum of 6 weeks after surgery.

So roughly four weeks after his potential 6-weeks non-weight- bearing period was over, he's ready to hoof it around a golf course and put strain on it by hitting drives and irons???

Me thinks Schaub was being funny, like "Hey coach, let's go shoot a round of golf" and Kubiak tells the media in a way that we don't know if he was serious, joking, or what. I think this is a bunch of fun being poked at a hyped-up social media crowd.

They're probably ROFL at us as they watch us pick apart the statement in this thread. LOL.

They must have left out a part about this golf being on the playstation.

Nice try Kubes, nice try.
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I don't think anybody in the Texans organization would seek to trade him.

And a smart team would wait to see how well Schaub played in 2012, to see if he's really suitable to play again, before attempting to acquire him. By trading with the Texans sometime between now and reg season, a new team acquiring Schaub assumes the risk 100%. Why not let the Texans assume that risk?

Therefore, the earliest a team would attempt a trade for him would be right at the trade deadline. But would he be back by then, what would be his body of work in the few games he might've played in up to that point?

No, I think he'll be here all year. He'll be a free agent in 2013, and teams won't have to possibly waste a draft pick or one of their own players to get Schaub. IF they even felt he was worth targeting to begin with.

This is why I say Schaub has almost insurmountable odds to overcome. He's in No Man's Land with the grade III LisFranc and in his final year of contract.
Let's take Washingon who obviously needs a QB desperately. Colts draft Luck & RG3 goes to Cleveland in a trade up. Manning goes to Seattle. Is not Schaub the next best choice even if his healthy return not 100% guaranteed? Would skins management want fans to know they have a passing QB on the bench even if it is mid-season before he starts? Teams needing a QB now might not want to wait another season if one is available. We see stupid choices made on QBs every year.

The problem for me is not trading Schaub but who do we go after? Only RG3 #2 makes sense player wise & I doubt we can compete with Cleveland.
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Watch Matt.... Matt Leinart. If we release Leinart to create cap space, then Kubiak believes (in his heart-of-hearts) that Schaub will be ready to go in May.

If Matt Leinart sticks around, then Kubiak doesn't know any better than we do.
I'd watch the drat. I have no doubt that Kubes beoieves more in Yates than he ever did in Leinart. Leinart kinda sunk himself in the Jags game with a horrible yards per anything.
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According to this quote from Kubiak, we're standing pat at QB.

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(on if T.J. Yates or Matt Leinart is the Texans’ No. 2 quarterback going into next season) “If I had to go camp tomorrow, I got all three of those guys back in line. I know who my No. 1 is . What I would do is let T.J. (Yates) and Matt (Leinart) go back and battle for the backup
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Either this is the most proficient coach speak this side of Belicheck or we ain't trading anybody nor drafting any project QBs ...at least going into 2012 we're not.
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Let's take Washingon who obviously needs a QB desperately. Colts draft Luck & RG3 goes to Cleveland in a trade up. Manning goes to Seattle. Is not Schaub the next best choice even if his healthy return not 100% guaranteed? Would skins management want fans to know they have a passing QB on the bench even if it is mid-season before he starts? Teams needing a QB now might not want to wait another season if one is available. We see stupid choices made on QBs every year.

The problem for me is not trading Schaub but who do we go after? Only RG3 #2 makes sense player wise & I doubt we can compete with Cleveland.
ONLY some owner and GM who are extremely and wildly desperate for a better QB would consider trading for Schaub before he's had a chance to prove he's "all the way back" from the injury. It'd have to be a perfect storm of desperation and motivation on the part of an owner and GM.

Boy how times have changed if we'd have Shanahan taking on Texans' players rather than the days of the Texans employing ex-Broncos.

I don't think Peyton Manning has a happy ending this year unless he can fully prove he's all the way back, as well.

Also, it's still possible RG3 is selected by the Colts if Irsay gets a wild hair to change course based on multiple factors that can play out.

There's a lot of change that can occur. I suppose a team might see Schaub as a much better QB than what they have or could acquire elsewhere, but the injury is scary. I think it's too risky.
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According to this quote from Kubiak, we're standing pat at QB.



Either this is the most proficient coach speak this side of Belicheck or we ain't trading anybody nor drafting any project QBs ...at least going into 2012 we're not.
I wouldn't want three QBs--Schaub, Leinart, Yates--hearing me, the HC, talk about how TJ is the starter and Leinart is QB2 and Schaub becomes the starter and then Yates is QB2 and Leinart is QB3, on and on and on....

At this stage, I can't sit here and think Kubiak was thrilled with Leinart's 1.75 quarters of football vs. Jags in 2011. Kubiak is being wise. Smart man.

Schaub is being honored and spoken of as the veteran starter, Leinart can't be judged because he got hurt early vs. Jags, and Yates is young. Notice how Kubiak spread the love around and never indicted anybody either by direct criticism or omission from the conversation.

He keeps Schaub motivated, Leinart encouraged, and Yates challenged as a young guy like Yates should be thinking...rather than thinking the starting job is handed to him on a platter.

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I wouldn't want three QBs--Schaub, Leinart, Yates--hearing me, the HC, talk about how TJ is the starter and Leinart is QB2 and Schaub becomes the starter and then Yates is QB2 and Leinart is QB3, on and on and on....

At this stage, I can't sit here and think Kubiak was thrilled with Leinart's 1.75 quarters of football vs. Jags in 2011. Kubiak is being wise. Smart man.

Schaub is being honored and spoken of as the veteran starter, Leinart can't be judged because he got hurt early vs. Jags, and Yates is young. Notice how Kubiak spread the love around and never indicted anybody either by direct criticism or omission from the conversation.

He keeps Schaub motivated, Leinart encouraged, and Yates challenged as a young guy like Yates should be thinking...rather than thinking the starting job is handed to him on a platter.

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I believe nothing that Gary or the Texans medical staff says when it comes to severity of injuries.

History has made me feel this way.
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