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Old 02-20-2012   #21
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Even with how they could work everything out like leebigeztx said? Not sure I understand why they'd be idiots for working things like he stated....
Ummm, if you assume they have 6.8 million to work with (BIG assumption), and they want to sign Mario to a 14 mill a year deal, then it's simply not going to happen. That's not even considering re-signing Myers, Foster, Brisiel or Rackers. I'm calling BS on this 6.8 million number though. It simply does not compute given the 10's of millions coming off the books for UFAs. This is probably just some lame beat writer trying to get twitter followers.

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Bro we have 17 FAs and 12 roster spots to fill (5 were IR replacements). Do you honestly think we can sign Arian Foster and 11 other guys (let alone Mario Williams) with only $6.8 million? Keep in mind that we have to set about $5 million aside for our rookies. So let's say we draft about 7 rookies. That means $1.8 million for Foster and 4 other guys. IMPOSSIBLE. Free Agency does not start until March 13th, which is the beginning of the new league year. Therefore we have 17 contracts still on the books until then. I say this is good news and an indication that the $120.375 million cap from 2011 has increase for 2012.
I'm not following, what makes you think the cap is rising due to this guy's report? I mean, there are plenty of other NFL people in the know that could give some estimations for the 2012 cap number if you want to ask around. Our own Shetexan would probably be able to get some good sources to give us an idea if you want to PM her.
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I don't know. Why would people be "publishing" our 2011 cap number? They know the 2012 number is the important number. Right, or am I looking at something wrong?
Well for two reasons. One being the cap rollover, so you know how much extra your team can use (or not use if over) in 2012. Two being the starting point of money to where you can pull UFA deals off the total. So if 119 is correct, removing Mario should put us down to ~100. Some of us on the board have used this method to estimate the 2012 capspace and mostly come up around 20-25 million in free space after considering all the additions and subtractions using publicly reported numbers. That might be a little high though because we couldn't account for restructures. I don't think that 15+ million was moved to 2012 though.

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It doesn't matter if Schaub, Antonio Smith, & Demeco had an $8M number in 2011, what's important is their contracts may escalate to $10M in 2012 (this is just an example, I have no idea what their number is for 2012.

Jjo, what's he going to make in 2012?
Yeah, still not clear on all their numbers. Schaub's number is said to be around 9 million, Antonio didn't restructure, so his should be relatively accurate. Demeco did restructure, but still not sure what he earned. Jjo's numbers haven't be released for year-by-year, only total value which averaged 9.75m I think.

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I can't imagine dropping Mario's $18M 2011 cap number, & still having 51 players on our roster that equate to $114M of cap room, leaving only $6.3M to work with.
Yeah, I'm in the same boat, I call BS on that figure.
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Ummm, if you assume they have 6.8 million to work with (BIG assumption), and they want to sign Mario to a 14 mill a year deal, then it's simply not going to happen. That's not even considering re-signing Myers, Foster, Brisiel or Rackers. I'm calling BS on this 6.8 million number though. It simply does not compute given the 10's of millions coming off the books for UFAs. This is probably just some lame beat writer trying to get twitter followers.



I'm not following, what makes you think the cap is rising due to this guy's report? I mean, there are plenty of other NFL people in the know that could give some estimations for the 2012 cap number if you want to ask around. Our own Shetexan would probably be able to get some good sources to give us an idea if you want to PM her.
Because JLC from nfl.com reported us at about $2 million UNDER the cap for 2011. Going into the season we had 12 expiring contracts. We since then added 5 contracts (all expiring at the end of the season) to the books as replacements for IR players. So that's where I got the 17 FAs. Now we have a report (not sure if it's accurate or not) that says we are $6.8 million under. We all know FA does not start until the 1st of the new league year (March 13th). So therefore 17 contracts are on the books unitl then.

So basically my line of reasoning is...

We were $2 million under the cap for 2011 and then we added 5 salaries throughout the course of the season. And now a report surfaces in the offseason talking about cap figures. This makes me think that they are talking about 2012 figures because adding 5 salaries to the books does not increase your cap figure from $2 million to $6.8 million (since we know the cap will be AT LEAST the same in 2012). So it seems to me to be an indicator of the cap rising for 2012.
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I initially thought there was NO WAY the Houston Texans would let Mario Williams get free, but I'm changing my tune after crunching the numbers. The Texans have about $6.8 million to work with in salary cap space for 2012. And they have to re-sign Arian Foster and Williams, who will likely get a record setting deal. That means they'll be cutting a ton of players, and letting many free agents walk no matter who they redo. Houston need to start restructuring some deals or they'll be picked apart.

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I'd like to see these numbers he's crunching and the source from which he obtained them.

Until then, this is still a guess; just like the ones on this msg board. Just because this guy has a twitter acc't doesn't make him anymore accurate than you guys who've spent a lot of time and done a lot of digging to come up with your estimates.

Man, I wish the Texans would publish something or makes some moves...
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Even with how they could work everything out like leebigeztx said? Not sure I understand why they'd be idiots for working things like he stated....
We don't have the money to resign Mario and other pieces we need. We had our best season without him proving that he is an expendable player at the least.
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I like your post except for the Cody is a scrub part.
He wanted us to outright cut Antonio Smith before last season started. Hey, maybe Cody can make the Pro Bowl next year!
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Default Re: Texans cap at 6.8 Million

We don't even know what the cap space will be next year, but it's probably going to be $124mil, and our projection is $116,306,676, so it might be more or less than that.
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Alright I know these numbers are all wrong but bear with me. Say this offseason we have 10 FA's all with a cap hit of 10 million. Would that mean we have 56.8 million to work with or does this 6.8 million take into account the FA's coming off the book.
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If you were to take all the free agents off the books,the texans would have 31-36m in cap room. If you were to resign all the free agents at their current price,they would have almost 9m. I've said it almost too much it seems. If they were to get marios number to 14m per,they could sign foster to a cap deal of 8m, meyers 4.5m and still have money for the rookies and have something to say in free agency. They can get work done and cut a few guys and upgrade their position via draft.
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Alright I know these numbers are all wrong but bear with me. Say this offseason we have 10 FA's all with a cap hit of 10 million. Would that mean we have 56.8 million to work with or does this 6.8 million take into account the FA's coming off the book.
From my understanding the former is true. The 6.8 number is without taking their contracts off the books.

Edit: someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I really don't pay too much attention to how football teams are spending their money. This isn't baseball and aren't the Patriots generally in the middle of the pack as far as money spent?
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Those 1-2 million figures were for 2011 space. That's before you remove expiring deals and dead money. Lots of estimates have been thrown around but subtracting Mario alone should add 18 million from that number. We should have a lot more than 6.8 million to work with in 2012.
Is there a chance that with other contracts rising, you subtract all the money that Mario, Foster, Myers etc earned and add the pay rises we're contracted to and you come to $6.8mm??

Here's hoping that isn't the case, its hard to see how it could be, what did all the guys earn put together? Must be north of $20mm so its hard to see the ~$15mm going straight back on but we'd be in big trouble if that is the case.

Edit: Seems this question has already been answered.

Well if this isn't accounting for the FA's coming off the books, that makes me pretty happy, even if they want to resign Mario that should give them an extra ~$4mm, Myers and Briesel won't be getting a huge amount more than they do already, Dreesen maybe a mill or so? and that leaves you with plenty to pay Foster, the cap likely rises substantially next season and our team stays intact. Well, in theory anyway.
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I initially thought there was NO WAY the Houston Texans would let Mario Williams get free, but I'm changing my tune after crunching the numbers. The Texans have about $6.8 million to work with in salary cap space for 2012. And they have to re-sign Arian Foster and Williams, who will likely get a record setting deal. That means they'll be cutting a ton of players, and letting many free agents walk no matter who they redo. Houston need to start restructuring some deals or they'll be picked apart.
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Why would this beat writer have accurate Texan's cap numbers? Everyone is guessing at this point. So as-long as we are ok with speculating, we are fine. But I doubt we will ever know really what is on the books.
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Is there a chance that with other contracts rising, you subtract all the money that Mario, Foster, Myers etc earned and add the pay rises we're contracted to and you come to $6.8mm??

Here's hoping that isn't the case, its hard to see how it could be, what did all the guys earn put together? Must be north of $20mm so its hard to see the ~$15mm going straight back on but we'd be in big trouble if that is the case.

Edit: Seems this question has already been answered.

Well if this isn't accounting for the FA's coming off the books, that makes me pretty happy, even if they want to resign Mario that should give them an extra ~$4mm, Myers and Briesel won't be getting a huge amount more than they do already, Dreesen maybe a mill or so? and that leaves you with plenty to pay Foster, the cap likely rises substantially next season and our team stays intact. Well, in theory anyway.
The guy said "after crunching the numbers..." so I assume he means removing UFAs and accounting for salary increases. Either way, I'd bet money he's just using Sportrac and Rotoworld to guess what the number is. He's nobody special, or in the know, so I doubt his information is any more reliable than what posters on this forum have done to estimate our cap situation.
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As I stated in the mario thread, gil brandt and pat kirwin both have told me with the 53 man roster, the texans have 112m committed to salaries of a 121m cap. That's a little lest than 9m. That's including mario and his 18m cap figure. They can knock his cap down to 12m and now they have 15m to do foster and myers. Foster can be a 8m and meyers 4m and texans still have 3m cap room before cutting scrubs like cody and and walters and create another 7m.
Dude ..... Cody has been the Texans most consistent DL over the past two seasons , he's a bargin at $3.5m. He's not getting cut ..... anddefinately isnt a scrub .... consider that the Texans run D only allowed 96 yards per game over the course of the season and only 81.5 in the post season. They dont do that without solid play in the interior.
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We don't have the money to resign Mario and other pieces we need.
What if we did. If we could sign Mario without affecting our ability to sign all the other players we needed to contend year in & year out, what about then?

leebigtx & a few others have shown you how it could be done..... the way most NFL teams do it.

Still, you say we don't have the money?
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We had our best season without him proving that he is an expendable player at the least.
We had our best season of the year with Andre missing the majority of it. Should we dump him as well?

We clinched our first play off berth & play off victory with Schaub on a scooter, do we not need him either?

Wade says Mario is our best pass rusher. Barwin says Mario is our best pass rusher. Antonio says Mario is our best pass rusher. They all say we need Mario back.
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Ive just looked at the newest Walter Football mock. And he states this:

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By the way, all the talk regarding Mike Wallace's first-round tender is that the Ravens and Patriots will consider signing him. The Texans should as well. Wallace is much better than any receiver available in this spot, and he's still pretty young (26 in August). Plus, Houston has a ton of cap room (about $25 million), so it can afford to give Wallace the long-term deal that he deserves.
I don`t know where he got his infos from - but there seems to be very different numbers out there. I guess the 6.8 million is before our FA get of the books. If 25 million is correct, we just might be able to resign Mario, Foster AND Myers.
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Hey y'all need to back off on Cody I don't care if he get replaced, but we need him to stay on this team. You ask me why well he's one of the guys who keeps are team positive and happy and lose. Its good to have that on a team.... plus the man is getting us on NFL Network more with that show . Hell we got to keep him
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