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Old 03-06-2012   #101
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Demeco may be be going through Jon Vilma syndrome.

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Demeco looked fine once he started to get past his rehab time. He wasn't 100% early on...I donno why so many fans can't digest this.
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This is hogwash. D-Ryans was playing great the latter part of the season. Heck, I think he was about as productive as Cushing against the run the last 5-6 games. He's a thumper!
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Demeco looked fine once he started to get past his rehab time. He wasn't 100% early on...I donno why so many fans can't digest this.
Apparently no one saw that cumbersome brace on his elbow.
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I can't digest it because I didn't see it. He had one good game against Carolina (8 tackles). Other than that he broke 6 tackles once, though that was against Baltimore in the playoffs but only 7.


This is coming from someone who has worn a DeMeco jersey since he was named starter. But he had 11 weeks with 4 tackles or less. That's awful for a linebacker. How awful? With 64 combined (tackles + assists) he was #72 last year.

And here it is by week:
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I'd almost buy the better late in the year but he still went 5 and 4 in week 16 and vs Cinci in the playoffs. (I'm guessing he didn't play much against Tennessee.)

Anyway, point being, 6m for that little production is a problem. Ray Lewis is supposed to be washed up and got 95. Bart Scott is getting cut and had more tackles and 4.5 sacks.

I'd love him to be better, but we were skeptical of performance after an achilles injury. I have no problem with a restructure.
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this is more of a gap control defense. Ryans used to be in a defense that absorbed all the blockers and let him run free to shoot gaps and make tackles all over the field. linebackers have more of a gap to control in this defense and players are asked to trust that the others are manning their gaps. I think the tackles are more evenly spread around in Wade's defense. To me, I saw flashes of the player I think he's capable of being at the end of the year....I'm not too worried about him.
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Demeco looked fine once he started to get past his rehab time. He wasn't 100% early on...I donno why so many fans can't digest this.
He did look much more fluid later in the season .... Started to look like himself before the injury ....


"His" play isnt the problem , its the fact that he's only on the field ~40% of the defensive snaps .... Because Cushing is a badmofo and .... Demeco isnt going to displace him as a pass rusher or in coverage when in nickle & dime packages meaning he's not going to increase that ~40% snap percentage.

A cap hit of roughly $8.5m is just too steep a price to pay for a guy who see's less than half the snaps.

This is less about Demeco and more about the guy's around him and the scheme.
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He did look much more fluid later in the season .... Started to look like himself before the injury ....


"His" play isnt the problem , its the fact that he's only on the field ~40% of the defensive snaps .... Because Cushing is a badmofo and .... Demeco isnt going to displace him as a pass rusher or in coverage when in nickle & dime packages meaning he's not going to increase that ~40% snap percentage.

A cap hit of roughly $8.5m is just too steep a price to pay for a guy who see's less than half the snaps.

This is less about Demeco and more about the guy's around him and the scheme.
Brian Urlacher plays the same role with the Bears now...he was a Pro Bowler last season. His tough play vs the run and forcing the offense into passing situations is seen as a plus (causing him to come off the field). Here it seems to be seen as a liability.
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Brian Urlacher plays the same role with the Bears now...he was a Pro Bowler last season. His tough play vs the run and forcing the offense into passing situations is seen as a plus (causing him to come off the field). Here it seems to be seen as a liability.
If demeco had 100 tackles playing 40% of the snaps I wouldn't consider his salary to be a liability.

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Brian Urlacher plays the same role with the Bears now...he was a Pro Bowler last season. His tough play vs the run and forcing the offense into passing situations is seen as a plus (causing him to come off the field). Here it seems to be seen as a liability.
Brian Urlacher had 100 tackles, 7 PD, 3 INTS,

Demeco had 60 tackles, 3 PD, 0 INTS

While they may be playing similar roles as 1st and 2nd down run stuffing LB's, Urlacher was clearly more productive.

Maybe Demeco is better this upcoming year, but I don't think he will approach what Urlacher did.
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Brian Urlacher had 100 tackles, 7 PD, 3 INTS,

Demeco had 60 tackles, 3 PD, 0 INTS

While they may be playing similar roles as 1st and 2nd down run stuffing LB's, Urlacher was clearly more productive.

Maybe Demeco is better this upcoming year, but I don't think he will approach what Urlacher did.
Don't remember Urlacher recovering from arm injury?
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Don't remember Urlacher recovering from arm injury?
If I'm not mistaken CnD has posted information regarding Demeco's Achilles injury and if I remember correctly it said that the 1st year back from injury the player normally has their best performance. It then goes down hill from that.

I think the Elbow affected him some, but the long term affects on his achilles is what I'd be worried about.
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If I'm not mistaken CnD has posted information regarding Demeco's Achilles injury and if I remember correctly it said that the 1st year back from injury the player normally has their best performance. It then goes down hill from that.

I think the Elbow affected him some, but the long term affects on his achilles is what I'd be worried about.
That was on Schaub's lisfranc injury I believe.

DeMeco's elbow injury clearly was the bigger issue last season especially as the season went on. His sideline to sideline movement looked excellent at the end of the season but he still could barely move his arm..
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That was on Schaub's lisfranc injury I believe.

DeMeco's elbow injury clearly was the bigger issue last season especially as the season went on. His sideline to sideline movement looked excellent at the end of the season but he still could barely move his arm..
Entirely possible that I have the two confused...
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Brian Urlacher plays the same role with the Bears now...he was a Pro Bowler last season. His tough play vs the run and forcing the offense into passing situations is seen as a plus (causing him to come off the field). Here it seems to be seen as a liability.
I dont see Demeco's play as a liability at all .... Just attempting to rationalize the situation surrounding his contract. Its like other people who say Cody should be replaced .... but wait , this was the #4 run defense in the NFL , and played even better in the playoffs , Cody and Demeco Ryans are a huge part of that success.

If the Texans werent up against the cap I dont think we're having this conversation. Ryans is just the most obvious contract to free up money for immediate use to retain other FA's.
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Apparently no one saw that cumbersome brace on his elbow.
Elbow Brace? All I saw was a battering ram...
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"His" play isnt the problem , its the fact that he's only on the field ~40% of the defensive snaps .... Because Cushing is a badmofo and .... Demeco isnt going to displace him as a pass rusher or in coverage when in nickle & dime packages meaning he's not going to increase that ~40% snap percentage.
We'll be playing better offenses in 2012. Probably won't be in as many definite passing situations... 3rd & long... 2nd & long. Probably won't be bringing in that safety in Nickle situations. He'll be on the field for more snaps.
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If the Texans werent up against the cap I dont think we're having this conversation. Ryans is just the most obvious contract to free up money for immediate use to retain other FA's.
Agreed. Still may not be a problem, if he's being asked to restructure. If we're changing his $6M salary into a signing bonus, dropping his salary to $1M or $2M, giving him a $4M cap instead of an $8M cap.... it's all good.
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Demeco is not the problem, his salary is, the people defending him are seeing the players and plays with their red tinted glasses on. I LOVE Ryans, BUT I would make him take a 50% pay decrease to stay here. He does not WARRANT that contract. Brian Urlacher EARNED his money over YEARS of that high production, ryans has not. AND Urlacher actually earned his paycheck last season. I love Demeco but he has to take a pay cut, its just business
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