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Old 02-20-2012   #81
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I was answering the main topic.

If he's down to restructure and it helps the team keep other guys, then sure.
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No. DeMeco had a few bad games, one against the Ravens during the regular season to name one, but he was becoming himself later in the season, especially in the playoffs. Mario is a beast, but it's not hard to find a pass rusher in the draft or in the FA.
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No. DeMeco had a few bad games, one against the Ravens during the regular season to name one, but 1.) he was becoming himself later in the season, especially in the playoffs. Mario is a beast, but 2.)it's not hard to find a pass rusher in the draft or in the FA.
1.) Very true, but still only on the field ~1/3 of the time or LESS. Too much money for that kind of production at that position. He is a well respected man on the team and in the league for that mater, but he still need to be re-structured to make him worth the financial commitment of the team at that position.

2.) That is very much NOT true. If it were, every team would have the 4 horses of the apocholips coming after the QB all the time and the truth is MOST teams have trouble getting more than 1 or 2 good pass rushers and to get the really outstanding ones is fairly rare.

Other stopping the run, pressure on the QB probably has the most to due with a defense winning a game for the offense.
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1.) Very true, but still only on the field ~1/3 of the time or LESS. Too much money for that kind of production at that position. He is a well respected man on the team and in the league for that mater, but he still need to be re-structured to make him worth the financial commitment of the team at that position.
I certainly hope he would restructure to help out the team. That said I think one of the most overused fan interests - leadership - is one of his least appreciated. I have witnessed him rein in Cushing, take him to task for being out of position/missing an assignment, fire the entire D up. DeMeco is a natural born leader and affects more than just the plays he plays.

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2.) That is very much NOT true. If it were, every team would have the 4 horses of the apocholips coming after the QB all the time and the truth is MOST teams have trouble getting more than 1 or 2 good pass rushers and to get the really outstanding ones is fairly rare.

Other stopping the run, pressure on the QB probably has the most to due with a defense winning a game for the offense.
Exactly true and Mario affects both. He doesn't have huge tackle stats because you can watch teams play to run away from him. It's harder to tell when a player only plays one side but you can see the adjustments and audibles as he moves around the field.
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Exactly true and Mario affects both. He doesn't have huge tackle stats because you can watch teams play to run away from him. It's harder to tell when a player only plays one side but you can see the adjustments and audibles as he moves around the field.
Excellent point, and to me why we need to lock this guy up. Other teams game plan to avoid him. That in itself speaks volumes.
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#Texans LB DeMeco Ryans will be asked to take a pay cut this offseason, writes @ArthurArkush. bit.ly/z6YjX4
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No. DeMeco had a few bad games, one against the Ravens during the regular season to name one, but he was becoming himself later in the season, especially in the playoffs. Mario is a beast, but it's not hard to find a pass rusher in the draft or in the FA.
Its much easier to find solid run stuffing ILB's than pass rushers the calibur of MW.


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#Texans LB DeMeco Ryans will be asked to take a pay cut this offseason, writes @ArthurArkush. bit.ly/z6YjX4
Who didnt see that comin ?! $8.5m in cap space is just too much.
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Who didnt see that comin ?! $8.5m in cap space is just too much.
Yep...

Hopefully Demeco will go ahead and do it..

And taking a pay cut is not the same as re-structuring...If this is correct I think it's obvious that they believe he is making too much money for his value and/or the good of the team
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Yep...

Hopefully Demeco will go ahead and do it..

And taking a pay cut is not the same as re-structuring...If this is correct I think it's obvious that they believe he is making too much money for his value and/or the good of the team

It is a "restructure" ..... they will likely give him more guaranteed money but backload the deal with money he will never see.
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It is a "restructure" ..... they will likely give him more guaranteed money but backload the deal with money he will never see.
Or they will convert some of the salary from the next couple years into a new signing bonus so it can be pro-rated and lower the cap.
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Or they will convert some of the salary from the next couple years into a new signing bonus so it can be pro-rated and lower the cap.
This is the first I'm hearing about it...

Has then been reported as a re-structure?

I don't know as much about the cap stuff as some of you guys, but can they even do a "pay-cut"?
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This is the first I'm hearing about it...

Has then been reported as a re-structure?

I don't know as much about the cap stuff as some of you guys, but can they even do a "pay-cut"?
Its complicated .... but , players cant really "give money back" only move it around.

In many cases they will take more "guaranteed money" and end up with a large cap number at the end of the contract which they will never see. Guaranteed money is what creates dead cap money should a player be cut.

Cak's post shows another way teams can lower cap hits by spreading bonus money over multiple years tho less common and in general less effective in the long term. It helps in the here and now but also increases future years cap hits.
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Yep...

Hopefully Demeco will go ahead and do it..

And taking a pay cut is not the same as re-structuring...If this is correct I think it's obvious that they believe he is making too much money for his value and/or the good of the team
Who is they? The guys at ProFootballWeekly?

Who cares what they think?
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Who is they? The guys at ProFootballWeekly?

Who cares what they think?
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I thought it was pretty obvious that the team is the only one that can ask him to re-structure or take a pay cut...
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Who is they? The guys at ProFootballWeekly?

Who cares what they think?
I brought up Ryans contract months ago , when we first begain discussing our FA crop and relatively low amount of cap room , saying it was likely they asked him to restructure .... His is the most obvious contracts on the team to free up cap space.
Not to mention the fact he's on the field for about 40% of the defensive snaps .... which isnt likely to change (even if Ryans is 100% healthy) going forward since Cushing is the lone LBer on the field in nickle and dime packages. 8.5m is a hell of a lot of jack to pay under those circumstances.
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I thought it was pretty obvious that the team is the only one that can ask him to re-structure or take a pay cut...
Yes, the team is the only one who can ask him to restructure.

You said, "If this is correct I think it's obvious that they believe he is making too much money for his value and/or the good of the team"
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No one knows, or has reported that the Texans have or will ask Demeco to restructure. Only that they believe

Their opinion has no reflection on their thoughts about Demeco Ryans. Asking Demeco to restructure means they still value him as a football player. Cutting him if he doesn't would clearly tell us what they think about him as well.
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Yes, the team is the only one who can ask him to restructure.

You said, "If this is correct I think it's obvious that they believe he is making too much money for his value and/or the good of the team"
No one knows, or has reported that the Texans have or will ask Demeco to restructure. Only that they believe

Their opinion has no reflection on their thoughts about Demeco Ryans. Asking Demeco to restructure means they still value him as a football player. Cutting him if he doesn't would clearly tell us what they think about him as well.

I'm talking about the team TK..

I couldn't care less about what pro football weekly thinks...

And I don't see how you call the second tweet an opinion when it was stated as matter of fact as it could be...

And I prefaced my comment with "If this is correct"...I have no clue what you are getting at...
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If Demeco wanted more playing time he should cover kicks and punts. He's not getting back on 3rd downs anytime soon. Personally, I feel he has a place on the team and a role to play on the field, on the sidelines, in the locker room, in the film room, in practice, in front of cameras, etc...

If he's making about 8 a year for another 4 years ask him if he wants to make 4 for another 8 years. Job security as long as you don't fall off the map.
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I say let his contract be for now. He was coming off a bad injury last year and we were told by Doc CnD that it would be 2 years before Meco was ready to really play. This year will tell us what we need to know about him.
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