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Old 02-14-2012   #121
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There are a bunch of IF's before I would do this.

IF mannings arm is still live!
IF he would take a reasonable contract!
IF he we could trade Schaub for a good enough package that we could combine some non critical assets to to trade up for a franchise QB. (RG111)

If all those IF's are met I wouldn't hesitate to sign Manning
Gonna take a hell of a package to beat what Cleveland can offer.
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Ingram is one of the two I'd target but in a trade back. However, Vinny Curry in second is enticing and use the two firsts (for #8) on other guys.

#17: Ingram #21 Wright #26 Peter Konz
I don't think Ingram will last that long. He's the second best pass rusher in the draft behind Coples, so I think he will go in the top 15 at least. If he has a great combine, he will be top 10.
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If you are gonna insinuate something spit it out. He has 40 years at Channel 13 & obviously you are the only one saying it is not a retirement on his own terms. I'm not saying you are wrong but bring something to table to support you comment.
Yeah, I dislike Abromowitz as much as the next guy. Actually challenged me to a fight years ago but then promptly backed down.

But he, like David, pretty much writes his own ticket over there at KTRK. I'd bet he has something he's moving to, though. Consultant? Who knows.
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As I and others have posted, any signing would be based on Manning being healthy. What guarantee can you present today that Schaub will be healthy for season?
I guess you haven't been reading my posts where I say that he won't.
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A report emerged on the radio in Houston Monday night that Peyton Manning has the Texans on his list of teams that he’d like to play for.

Even if that’s true, it’s hard to see any possible marriage here.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle wrote Tuesday “it’s not going to happen” for a variety of reasons.

The biggest reason: The Texans have a quarterback in Matt Schaub. They are confident Schaub will return from his foot injury, whereas no one really knows if Manning will play again. (The Texans have other big issues to worry about.)

Manning also doesn’t fit Houston’s offense, which relies so much on movement and the bootleg. McClain is as clued in as any beat writer around. If he says there is “no chance” this will happen, we’re sure that statement wasn’t made in a vacuum.

It makes sense for a desperate team like the Redskins to gamble on Manning. It doesn’t make sense for the Texans.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...wn-in-houston/

LOL at the bolded. I don't care if he's right about Manning not coming to Houston, but John McClain always comes off as if he's the one that's running this franchise.
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LOL at the bolded. I don't care if he's right about Manning not coming to Houston, but John McClain always comes off as if he's the one that's running this franchise.
Plus it has been proved many times that he has no clue and no inside info. He is probably right this time though.
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I'd be worried we are getting the Johnny Unitas that played with San Diego.
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Manning also doesn’t fit Houston’s offense, which relies so much on movement and the bootleg. McClain is as clued in as any beat writer around. If he says there is “no chance” this will happen, we’re sure that statement wasn’t made in a vacuum.
I can't stand the Peyton doesn't fit in Houston's offense argument. You would think McClain would give Kubiak a little more credit and be smarter than that.

A lot of Peyton's play action comes off of their stretch outside running play in Indy. And while it's not considered a true "bootleg", the design is pretty much the same. Its trying to get the linebackers to flow and commit towards the ball fake and allow plays to be made behind them. Peyton doesn't have to be fleet footed to run the boots in our offense. Usually Schaub doesn't even really get out of the tackle box on his play actions. I'm not sure why this has become as big of an issue as it has.

Watching him play his whole career I have no doubt that the stretch runs/play actions fakes he runs in Indy would translate well enough in our offense.

Also I take what McClain says with a grain of salt. A few years ago he swore up and down that the Texans wouldn't be interested in signing a friend of mine. Meanwhile, there were talks and negotiations going on the entire time until he signed with another team. He doesn't know everything that's going on in the Texans front office like he leads on to believe.
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I can't stand the Peyton doesn't fit in Houston's offense argument. You would think McClain would give Kubiak a little more credit and be smarter than that.

A lot of Peyton's play action comes off of their stretch outside running play in Indy. And while it's not considered a true "bootleg", the design is pretty much the same. Its trying to get the linebackers to flow and commit towards the ball fake and allow plays to be made behind them. Peyton doesn't have to be fleet footed to run the boots in our offense. Usually Schaub doesn't even really get out of the tackle box on his play actions. I'm not sure why this has become as big of an issue as it has.

Watching him play his whole career I have no doubt that the stretch runs/play actions fakes he runs in Indy would translate well enough in our offense.

Also I take what McClain says with a grain of salt. A few years ago he swore up and down that the Texans wouldn't be interested in signing a friend of mine. Meanwhile, there were talks and negotiations going on the entire time until he signed with another team. He doesn't know everything that's going on in the Texans front office like he leads on to believe.
yeah, McClain opens mouth - inserts foot, all the time. Peyton's bread and butter was the stretch play action stuff. You don't have to be fast or quick to run that.
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The Texans have a much better running game than Houston does that should help out Manning.
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They will sign someone else is Matt isnt ready Im sure
Given our news QB coach, I'd say Matt Moore.
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The Texans have a much better running game than Houston does that should help out Manning.
No, I think Houston has a much better running game than the Texans, but either way, it should help Manning.
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I have no doubts about Manning's arm, or his head, or his desire to win. My only doubts are about his neck and before I'd even begin to entertain thoughts of signing him and turning our existing QB situation upside down I'd have to know beyond any doubt whatsoever that he was 100% and not any kind of bigger risk than anyone else to be injured again.

Fixed. Completely. Otherwise there's no way in the world I'm interested.

If he can demonstrate that then we're talking. I believe that he's got at least 3-4 more years in him. He's not like a lot of these guys who are going to wrap it up at 13-14 years. He's going to play as long as he can play because Manning is one driven, obsessive, "machine" of a QB. You guys all know that. How many years have you watched him just grind us up? He's going to be like Favre and play until he can't play anymore or his family (particularly Archie) convinces him it's time to shut it down.

IF he's healthy.
IF he's serious about playing here.
IF we can work a deal out.

I bring him in. There's not a doubt in my mind about that. I think just having Peyton Manning here would make Arian Foster and/or Mario Williams cheaper. Particularly if Manning takes a reasonable contract just to be here.

But that's a very narrow scenario I've set out there and it's very unlikely to happen.
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I used to say I couldn't stand Peyton, but that was because he was so good for many years that it got on my nerves, especially against us. I was maybe jealous we didn't have something like him on our team.

With that said, he could turn into like Favre or Montana and take us deep into the playoffs and I would be first in line buying a Manning jersey in all available colors.

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It would be worth picking up Manning just to watch Kubiak's head explode when Kubes sends the punt team onto the field on 4th and 5 and Manning sends it right back to the bench.
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Just like the Mario one exists on 31 other mbs.
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I wonder if the recent struggles with the Colts have been directly related to the persona of Peyton Manning.

That **** he does, the barking and commanding and chewing ass on the sideline if somebody broke off a route three inches too soon...that stuff wears thin on a group of guys after awhile. 10 years worth of it.

I honestly don't think he fits this franchise in terms of the climate Gary has going on here. Here, guys are calm...you never see all-out ass chewing sessions to the degree and consistency that #18 can dish out. In Indy, their HC allows #18 to effectively be the head coach on offense and act as drill sergeant on the rest of those guys. Can you see that type of thing going on here? I can't.

Call me a conspiracy theorist...but I think this is just the typical "Use Houston as a leverage tactic to get other teams moving" type of rumor.

Neither Manning nor Schaub is the answer here, unless you could build Frankenstein QB by putting Schaub's head on Manning's torso. And even then I think it would be a fail.

Marcus knows what Schaub is up against. He and CnD have been preaching this since November and people are slow to listen or slow to remember or whatever. Tell me the name of an NFL player who suffered the same injury and went on to play for more than one year afterward.

Yates will start the year, Schaub enters (maybe) towards the end IF several factors line up for Schaub (i.e. Yates is not playing well AND Schaub has rehabbed well enough to test the foot in a real game).

No way Kubiak brings in a hired gunslinger.

Plus, we built this team to eliminate Peyton Manning's existence from the AFC South. Remember? It would be like Hans Solo telling Darth Vader, "You know what? What the hell, Darth. Come on over and play on our team. Yay!" No way. The sun has set on the Colts. Let it set COMPLETELY. No need to feel sorry for #18 and let him get to come run our team.

I've fully decided that we need to pass on #18. Too many moving parts, so to speak. Roll with Yates, draft Keenum, but don't grab Manning and don't wager that Schaub returns either.
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