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Old 02-13-2012   #21
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I would not be mad if Manning came here but I am not sure that I would be as excited as I once would be just because of his injury.
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So I guess now the question is whether the Texans have any interest in Manning? My guess is no due to the offense Kubiak runs. He and Dennison call the plays, have certain audibles for each play, etc. Manning had full control of that offense in Indy. He had the power to change plays at the line, something which Schaub doesn't here (or at least not as much as Peyton did). But Kubiak is the QB guru and if he thinks Manning could fit in his offense...well I'd be intrigued by the idea.

Also, what art the chances this thread grows faster than the Eric Moulds thread a few years back?
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The biggest risk of going for Manning would be that it would essentially end Schaub's career as a Texan. Would getting Manning for 2-3 years be worth losing Schaub? I would lean towards yes, but I can see how many would rather not. Obviously if either don't/can't return to full health then this conversation would be completely different anyway.
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I remember people Drew Brees wouldn't be successful after his rotator cuff injury. Having watched Manning, the dude is money. He might be damaged right now but he will be back.

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No thanks.
We have a great team right now and lots of young stars.

No need to mortgage the future to try get minor leg up in the present.
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No thanks.
We have a great team right now and lots of young stars.

No need to mortgage the future to try get minor leg up in the present.
Serious question: In what way do you think it will mortgage the future? Obviously if he wants a huge payday then it would, but I don't think he will be looking for that. If we had Peyton for 2-3 years and were able to trade Schuab for some draft picks then I would have to think we would be a little bit ahead of where we were previously. With Peyton we would also have TJ (or a new QB acquired through the draft) learning behind a great.
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His health is a big question......too many what "ifs"
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Serious question: In what way do you think it will mortgage the future? Obviously if he wants a huge payday then it would, but I don't think he will be looking for that. If we had Peyton for 2-3 years and were able to trade Schuab for some draft picks then I would have to think we would be a little bit ahead of where we were previously. With Peyton we would also have TJ (or a new QB acquired through the draft) learning behind a great.
He's going to demand some serious money, which means we'd have to trade or release one of our better players. Schaub is a good QB and knows this system. Peyton would come in and have to learn the system and no one knows if he can do well in Kubiak's offense. And then there is the question if he will be able to last a season with his neck injury.

3 years ago, I think everyone mortgages their house, car, and kids to get Peyton. Today, I really think the Texans should pass and continue to build with what they have and through the draft. We are in the AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl this year with Schaub. We have the same pieces coming back and I think we make a big splash next year if we just sign our vets, draft well and stand pat without any major shakeups.
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Shades of the Brett Favre soap opera...
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So I guess now the question is whether the Texans have any interest in Manning? My guess is no due to the offense Kubiak runs. He and Dennison call the plays, have certain audibles for each play, etc. Manning had full control of that offense in Indy. He had the power to change plays at the line, something which Schaub doesn't here (or at least not as much as Peyton did). But Kubiak is the QB guru and if he thinks Manning could fit in his offense...well I'd be intrigued by the idea.

Also, what art the chances this thread grows faster than the Eric Moulds thread a few years back?
I don't think that Gary would do this even if Peyton was willing. Peyton would steal his thunder.
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He's going to demand some serious money, which means we'd have to trade or release one of our better players. Schaub is a good QB and knows this system. Peyton would come in and have to learn the system and no one knows if he can do well in Kubiak's offense. And then there is the question if he will be able to last a season with his neck injury.

3 years ago, I think everyone mortgages their house, car, and kids to get Peyton. Today, I really think the Texans should pass and continue to build with what they have and through the draft. We are in the AFC championship game or even the Super Bowl this year with Schaub. We have the same pieces coming back and I think we make a big splash next year if we just sign our vets, draft well and stand pat without any major shakeups.


Who says he will demand serious money? It's been reported that he has said he is more than willing to be cap friendly and heavily incentive based
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I don't think that Gary would do this even if Peyton was willing. Peyton would steal his thunder.
I'm not sure Gary has final call on this
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If Peyton wants to talk to us then we would be stupid not to listen. If he's genuine about wanting a ring then his talk of willing to structure a cap friendly deal needs to be followed by action to whatever team he goes to. It's easy to sit here in our position and say Peyton should be willing to sacrifice some money in order to secure his legacy sometimes, but in this situation it may fit because of Peyton's unlimited potential post playing career.

The guy has the ability to make a ton of money after he's done either as a coach or an analyst. So if I'm the Rick Smith and Bob McNair I have to take a look at see how close to 100 percent he really is and where he'll be come July when we get ready to kick off camp. With Schaub's injury situation being up in the air I think we would be foolish not to consider it if he's willing to make some concessions to be here.
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I hope you are right. I don't know if Rick or Mr. McNair would do it, but I'm pretty sure it wouldn't happen if were just Kubiak's decision.
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I don't think Manning is in a spot to demand a lot of money.
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Lots to consider here for sure, but if Manning is serious, I think you would be very foolish not to see how all these moving parts could be made to work. First, there is the Schaub question. If healthy he fetches at least a #1 and maybe more. As it stands now, not sure. But you have to get rid of Schaub. No way can you carry him with Manning. So, that's the first question.

Then you have Manning's own health to consider. If he doesn't pass an exam with flying colors I think the risk is just too high. Then there is team chemistry which can be a delicate balance.

Then can you structure a contract that will allow you to keep your best pieces around Manning? Then once you have him - what kind of offense do you run? I'm not sure he is all that good of a fit in Kubes system. He is too good of a QB with way too much knowledge and experience to have Manning conform to Kubes. Kubes has to mold his offense to fit Manning's strengths. I think the rollouts would be reduced by a great deal, and you would be in shotgun a lot more with Payton basically doing his usual read and react on the fly. You could still run a zone run game, but I do feel the passing game would need to change rather dramatically.

I consider it a major longshot. Maybe 5% of it actually happening, but like I say it would behoove the Texans to turn over every rock and stone to figure out if they can make it work.
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Matt has one more season @ $7m & will be 30 in June. He is several years younger but has been historically rated 2nd tier to Peyton being one of top 2 QBs. Neither should get much better imo so we know what we get. If both are 100% healthy game one, I rate Manning higher. WIth our team, Manning could easily play 2-3 seasons. With either on roster, we still need to develop a future QB. I like Yates but not sure yet he will be the QB of the future.

Can Kubiak & Manning work together? I say yes. Gary has never had a field general like Peyton although I wished he'd turned Matt loose.

Here's the tipping point for me, what kind of deal could we make for Schaub? Washington desperately needs a QB and will have to give up more than 6th pick to move ahead of Cleveland who may be angling for St Louis #2 to select RG3. WIth #6 they could get a vet Schaub & know what they have over any rookie.

I think we'd get many offers for #6.
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