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Old 02-15-2012   #221
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Manning underwent unknown surgery last yearPosted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 15, 2012, 2:39 PM EST

Getty ImagesIt’s been widely reported that Colts quarterback Peyton Manning has undergone three neck surgeries in the last two years.

Don Banks of SI.com reports the number is actually four.

Manning underwent an unreported surgery last year between his May surgery and his September cervical neck fusion surgery. Banks adds a lot of new details in his extensive and well-reported piece.

More surgery expected: Manning’s neck has potentially developed bone spurs. The Colts believe further surgery is “nearly inevitable,” even if Manning can successfully return to football this year.

Manning pushed to play in December: The “extent and scope” of Manning’s on-field workouts in December initially frustrated former Colts Vice Chairman Bill Polian. Manning wanted to play in the red zone in the season’s final weeks, but the Colts medical staff ruled it out once they took a look at him.

Manning was unable to throw past 20-22 yards at the time.
“He wanted to go on the field and try to dump red-zone passes against Houston,” a league source told Banks. “Even though his neck muscles hadn’t even been strengthened yet. Can you imagine anyone putting him on the field in that situation? Just to throw a string of red-zone passes? But that’s where things were going at that time, and it kind of speaks to the insanity of the situation.”

Chronic problem? The Colts fear Manning’s neck issues have become chronic. It’s hard to argue with four surgeries in under two years, including three in a five month span last year.

There will be plenty of questions regarding why all this information came out now. But the article helps to underscore the serious nature of Manning’s medical problems.

We just hope someone is watching out for Manning’s long-term health, because he’s already tried to play before it was safe once.
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I love making up and deciphering metaphors n junk, but I'm having a hard time seeing where this one fits with what you said...explain...
Just because we interview Manning does not mean we have to sign him. Get together over chilidogs & feel each other out.
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While the decision-making process regarding Peyton Manning's future in Indianapolis continues to unfold, new details about his problematic neck issues and his attempts to deal with them have surfaced.

SI.com has learned from NFL sources that Manning actually underwent a fourth, unreported, medical procedure in the past two years, not three as has been widely known.

While it cannot be determined exactly when the unreported procedure on Manning's neck took place, it was at some point after his May 23 surgery in Chicago to correct a bulging disk, and before his Sept. 9 one-level cervical neck fusion surgery in Marina Del Rey, Calif. The same doctor who operated on Manning's bulging disk in May did a follow-up procedure last summer in Chicago, as a result of the original surgery. Both of those operations came while the NFL and its players were still engaged in their protracted labor fight, with clubs having very limited medical contact with injured players. At the time of Manning's September neck operation, that surgery was reported to be his third neck procedure in 19 months. In reality, it was his fourth.

In addition, league sources say Manning's neck has potentially developed bone spurs just above the point where his latest fusion surgery took place in early September, and the Colts organization is under the belief that it is nearly inevitable Manning will at some point require further surgery, and possibly another fusion procedure, even if he does successfully return to the field in 2012. It's unclear how any potential long-term neck issues will impact Manning's decision to attempt a resumption of his NFL playing career later this year.

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While the new details paint a picture of Manning's health that may be more tenuous than is publicly known, NFL sources told SI.com that the Colts quarterback was strenuously trying to show team officials and coaches that he was capable of playing in the final two weeks of the regular season, but specifically in red zone situations, where his limited arm strength would be less of a liability.

Manning was targeting the Colts' Week 16 home finale against Houston for his return, league sources said, even taking part in an organized and fully-scripted 30-play practice session in the week leading up to Indy's Week 15 home game against Tennessee. In that workout, Manning performed in front of Colts team president Bill Polian, head coach Jim Caldwell and offensive coordinator Clyde Christensen, who was on hand to call plays.

While one league source said Manning was clearly angling to play against Houston, another league source said the issue quickly became moot after the Manning-led workout, because Colts team physician Hank Feuer quickly ruled out clearing Manning for any on-field action.

Feuer said Manning's neck muscles at that time were still atrophied from his long period of inactivity following the September surgery, and he had yet to recover his full range of motion in the area. It short-circuited any possibility Manning had of getting back on the field before the 2011 season ended, with him at one point hopeful he could show the team he was capable of running its red-zone offense against the Texans and possibly the following week at Jacksonville, league sources said.

Sources who were on hand for the practice say that while Manning was accurate with his passes, he threw nothing longer than 20-22 yards, and his passes wobbled at times, with perhaps 80 percent of his usual velocity. Manning also seemed to be visibly fatigued at times during the workout, sources said, which further convinced Caldwell and others that it would be unwise to risk further injury to their franchise quarterback with a cameo appearance against Houston or Jacksonville.

"He wanted to go on the field and try to dump red-zone passes against Houston,'' a league source said. "Even though his neck muscles hadn't even been strengthened yet. Can you imagine anyone putting him on the field in that situation? Just to throw a string of red-zone passes? But that's where things were going at that time, and it kind of speaks to the insanity of the situation.''

All four of Manning's recent surgeries or medical procedures have been on the right side of his neck, league sources said. The team is concerned that Manning's neck injuries have reached the chronic stage, and that there could be a genetic aspect to his condition. Manning's older brother, Cooper, 38, had his college football career ended before it began when he was diagnosed with spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spinal canal that required surgery to relieve pressure on the spinal cord. In Peyton Manning's case, any evidence of stenosis is thought to be on the moderate side, league sources said, but the likelihood of further complications increase with each new surgery he undergoes.
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Yes, because we all know how reliable the reports are when it comes to predicting when ___________ (insert name of Texans player) will be back.
Standard protocol for 32 NFL teams.

That being said, why do you trust what Manning says or reports about him?

If Schaub is not ready to start in September, I do not think it prudent to put all the eggs in a basket of a player who has had 3-4 neck surgeries in two years and has been as vague as it gets with regards to his status.

Manning was not honest with the Colts last off-season or during training camp. They were blind-sided by his obtuse arrogant nature. This is not something I think we should depend on for our 2012 season.

Besides, the last time he played was December 2010. A year off, multiple neck surgeries, inability to even toss a ball around, huge salary, and 36 years old do not add up to anything positive for this franchise.

It's a cute story in an off-season rumor sort of way, but I would honestly be shocked if the Texans FO was stupid enough to fall for it.
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I had a dream peyton went to the jags and had a good year and we ran out a gimpy matt schaub and he struggled. I hope like hell that doesn't happen. I hope peyton retires and if schaub can't go tj is ready.
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There were yet more salvos fired by all sides Wednesday regarding the health and status of Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning.

First, Don Banks of Sports Illustrated reported that the four-time Most Valuable Player may have undergone an unknown (until today) fourth operation on his troublesome neck, casting yet more doubt on the 14-year veteran's health.

Then, the Indianapolis Star published an interview with Colts owner Jim Irsay that outlined how Irsay believes that Manning could return to the fold with the team.

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"We can make it work if he wants to be here. We'd be excited to have him back and finish his career with us.

"I want him to be able to make the choice. We would love to have him back here if he can get healthy and we can look at doing a contract that reflects the uncertainty of the . . . healing process with the regeneration of the nerve.''
In other words, rework your five-year, $90 million contract, especially the $28 million roster bonus March 8th, or get shown the door, at which point "we" (the Colts) can blame your greed for having to part ways with the player that made football actually mean something in Indy.

Manning's health aside, what possible reason could he have for doing this?

The only possible motivator that makes any sense were if Manning himself feared that he would no longer be able to play, and wished to avoid losing face with Colts fans more than he already has since the increasingly public spat between Manning and Irsay (you know, the one they're not having) which began with Manning's very candid interview with the Star on January 24.

Were a potential retirement announcement looming, then that's reasonable.

However, Manning's given zero indication that's the case, stating over and over his intent to play again.

It's also worth noting that when Manning signed the contract a year ago, the prevailing opinion was that it was team-friendly, so the Colts seemingly not only want to have their cake and eat it too, but now Irsay wants the candles back as well.

Once again, what possible reason could Manning have for doing this?

None.

There are definitely winds of change blowing in Indianapolis, and from the looks of things Peyton Manning may not care for the direction that wind is coming from, so it appears that he's going to spread his wings, tilt his forehead to the sky and let them carry him right out the door.
I think that Manning is pissed that he can't go out on his own terms.
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I'll say this much, if T.J. Yates is the starting quarterback once the 2012 regular season starts then my high expectations for this team would go way down. From a Super Bowl contender to another divisional round exit in the playoffs at best. That's too important of a position. I like Yates a lot but I don't believe this team can go all the way with him starting. He reminds me a lot of Jason Garrett when he played for the Dallas Cowboys. A good guy to fall back on when needed but not the guy who's going to get you a Lombardi trophy with his arm.
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You might see Yates start 4-5 games as Matt continues to heal.
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You might see Yates start 4-5 games as Matt continues to heal.
That wouldn't be good enough to me. Our schedule is going to be a tough one. A lot depends how difficult it will be early in the season. Mind you, Yates couldn't even beat the Panthers or Colts this past season, two defenses which you would think he'd have the most success against. It really worries me how bad he'll be if other NFL teams actually have time to game plan for him. They've got more film to work with now. I don't feel Yates is ready. It would be wise for the Texans to bring in somebody else because I don't feel Matt Leinart is the answer either.
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That wouldn't be good enough to me. Our schedule is going to be a tough one. A lot depends how difficult it will be early in the season. Mind you, Yates couldn't even beat the Panthers or Colts this past season, two defenses which you would think he'd have the most success against. It really worries me how bad he'll be if other NFL teams actually have time to game plan for him. They've got more film to work with now. I don't feel Yates is ready. It would be wise for the Texans to bring in somebody else because I don't feel Matt Leinart is the answer either.
You are crrect in your assesment but do not expect to see anyone higher than a 5th round brought into camp.
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I wonder if the recent struggles with the Colts have been directly related to the persona of Peyton Manning.
I think it would be easy to make the case. Not just because of his playing on the field, but all the way back to the Dungy days, Manning was probably running practice as well as the game. The offensive coaches probably got complacent & let it ride.

Players were used to doing certain things a certain way, because it worked with Manning. Not just which plays were called, but how they practiced, worked out, studied, etc... Reggie Wayne, Collie, Garson, probably didn't have to study much film, Peyton would say, "when my left eye goes like this, you go like that."

Heck, they've had what, 3 (2 I'm sure) first round running backs & several first round linemen, but not one back to back 1000 yard season from any of them since the Edge left.. probably wasn't working on their running game.

Now Peyton gets hurt & all of a sudden the coaches want to act like coaches, telling them where to put their hands, stay awake in meetings, be on time, pay attention? I can see them having trouble.

This is all a figment of my imagination, but I can't think of a better reason to clean house, from the GM to the water boy.
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That wouldn't be good enough to me. Our schedule is going to be a tough one. A lot depends how difficult it will be early in the season. Mind you, Yates couldn't even beat the Panthers or Colts this past season, two defenses which you would think he'd have the most success against. It really worries me how bad he'll be if other NFL teams actually have time to game plan for him. They've got more film to work with now. I don't feel Yates is ready. It would be wise for the Texans to bring in somebody else because I don't feel Matt Leinart is the answer either.
In all fairness, the team lost those games. It is quite common for teams to experience a drop off after winning a big game, and that Bengals game to clinch the first division title in franchise history is as big as it has ever been for the Texans.

In addition, Kubiak was gameplanning to keep his QB safe after that point, so he limited exposure for Yates and did not put him in situations that could get him hurt in the Colts and Panthers games. Besides, it was our DEFENSE that gave up a last minute score to Dan O in Indy. That was not anything on Yates.

Do not forget that a Yates led team beat two playoff teams during the regular season (Falcons and Bengals), as well as won the first playoff game in franchise history. So there is two sides to that coin.

I do not want to see Yates starting the season in September, but I'm not going to go Chicken Little on folks if he is the starter until Schaub is ready.
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I like Yates a lot and I see a lot of potential in him but that's two or three years down the road. Right now, this team has a golden opportunity to win a Super Bowl. I'd hate to see management not do all it can to make that happen. I was actually one of the few people who was for signing Brett Favre when Schaub went down last year but unfortunately Rick Smith didn't want to even entertain the thought of that circus coming to town. Who knows how much further in the playoffs we could have gone with an experienced veteran. I also wasn't totally against playing Delhomme or Garcia in the playoffs.

Thank goodness Watt made that interception, huge game changer, right before halftime against the Bengals in the wild-card game. That game had me nervous up until then. Yates did show me some good things during all of his starts (absolutely love his mobility), but he also made a lot of mistakes that a proven veteran wouldn't make. Against the Bengals their defense failed to pounce on some very poor passes -- even dropping a sure fire pick six the other way. His game against the Ravens did not surprise me one bit.
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Go back and look at the colts game. Tj was not bad in that game. Also, tj was a rookie thrown into the fire. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect him to show some improvement heading into this season.
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Go back and look at the colts game. Tj was not bad in that game. Also, tj was a rookie thrown into the fire. I'm not sure why we wouldn't expect him to show some improvement heading into this season.
Not blaming Yates for any of the losses at all. In fact, the Texans are 0-11 all-time at Indianapolis and Andre Johnson was out for that game so that's not even the point. My point is that I don't think he's ready to be the primary backup quarterback, much less the starting quarterback. Maybe in another two or three years he will be ready to do big things.

He isn't going to lead a team to a Super Bowl anytime soon and right now the Texans have a Super Bowl contender. I don't want to see this team throwing away a great opportunity. There's a two or three-window right now to take over the AFC because the rest of the conference is down. Tom Brady is aging, Ray Lewis is aging, the Jets and Steelers seem more beatable than in previous years.

They're capable of being the best team in the AFC in 2012 but only if they have a proven quarterback that is healthy. Matt Schaub can be that guy. We will see. I really do hope he is ready to play or else I want to see management making an effort to go after somebody else.
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My opinion is that if the Texans know that Schaub wont be back at the start of the season they will look to get someone else to start instead of falling back on Yates again. I assure you my opinion isnt far fetched
We've still got Leinart.

If Matt is healthy & ready to go week 1, he'll be the starter. However, if it looks like he may not, we'll hold on to Leinart & he'll start.

I know most people don't like the check down game in Jacksonville, but he probably graded pretty well for Kubiak. He took care of the ball & went down field when the opportunity was there.

He's bought & payed for, understands the system & Kubiak knows what to expect from him on & off the field, in & out of the locker room.
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I had a dream peyton went to the jags and had a good year and we ran out a gimpy matt schaub and he struggled. I hope like hell that doesn't happen. I hope peyton retires and if schaub can't go tj is ready.
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How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.
If Yates is our starter next year we will be attached to another plane, wrapped helically around an axis. I swear you are letting all the Yates hype get to into your head.
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