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[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Marcus

How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

Let me ask you, Do you somehow think we were a sb WITH yates?


Acutally my opinion of Yates was formed well before the Ravens game. The Balt int were bad, the missed int in balt were bad, the number of other missed or called back ints in his other games were bad.

My opinion is that if the Texans know that Schaub wont be back at the start of the season they will look to get someone else to start instead of falling back on Yates again. I assure you my opinion isnt far fetched

[Stemp]

Yates is the #2 QB. If Schaub isn't ready by the start of the season Yates will be #1 and Kubiak will bring back Delhomme or some other vet to back him up like last season if Lienhart is released or signs elsewhere.

This is pretty much a moot point because everything I've heard is that Schaub will be ready by the start of training camp.

QB Matt Schaub's progress from Lisfranc surgery and the team's commitment to T.J. Yates and Matt Leinart are just three reasons why it's very unlikely Peyton Manning would play with the Texans, according to the Houston Chronicle, which also pointed out that Manning's uncertain health status and the Texans' offensive philosophy are major deterrents in a Manning-Houston scenario.

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[Double Barrel]

Originally Posted by Texan_Bill

Manning Fans!

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Originally Posted by Marcus

How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.

As much as folks like to believe that they know how Kubiak & Co. think, often they are just confused by the voices in their own heads.

Originally Posted by drunkcookie

Rich hasn't been on this week, Straw's been sitting in for him...

Josh Innis was really going too long and too far with it yesterday... He was criticizing the wording, something like "Manning is 'definitely' interested in 'possibly' coming to the Texans..." Yah, bad wording, and Bob Allen called in and admitted it was, but was it worth that many segments of bashing? No..

They also made the point (caller brought it up, they agreed) that the wording was intentional, placed as an out for Allen to say "oh i said possibly, never said he was fo sure interested..." Bob Allen said he doesn't "do that crap", and Straw told him "it was a point a caller made, not coming from us." BS, they ran with it and hammered it... Funny how before and after Allen was on that Innis talked all tough about how he has the balls to call out media personalities in Houston, but he was silent a the whole time Allen was on the phone after introducing him with mega ass-kissing...

It is obvious from the context of all of what Bob Allen reported that he was saying that Manning was interested, there was no way for him to fall back on it... Bad wording in one freaking sentence? Yes...but we all got the point...

Josh Innis is a sad example of Houston radio. He's Mr. Channel Changer to me. I could care less about what kind of pie he likes (or whatever mundane personal insight he wishes to share), and his takes are rarely even interesting. Then, he does stuff like this...

[Hardcore Texan]

Originally Posted by Stemp

Yates is the #2 QB. If Schaub isn't ready by the start of the season Yates will be #1 and Kubiak will bring back Delhomme or some other vet to back him up like last season if Lienhart is released or signs elsewhere. This is pretty much a moot point because everything I've heard is that Schaub will be ready by the start of training camp.


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Originally Posted by Double Barrel

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It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.
As much as folks like to believe that they know how Kubiak & Co. think, often they are just confused by the voices in their own heads.




Josh Innis is a sad example of Houston radio. He's Mr. Channel Changer to me. I could care less about what kind of pie he likes (or whatever mundane personal insight he wishes to share), and his takes are rarely even interesting. Then, he does stuff like this...

It really is that simple. That's it....period. It's like folks havent' been paying attention to Kubiak's M.O. or something. It's as plain as day to me.

[2012Champs]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.

Thats actually not the scenario I was talking about. I too think if Schaub is ready to start Yates will be backup. If for some reason Schaub isnt ready it of my opinion and hope Yates isnt the go to guy

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Texn4life

J & R on 610 were super harsh on Allen. I turned it off because they were trying to clown him so much. It was kind of classless the way the handled the whole situation. There's no reason to think he would make this up if it wasn't given to him from someone with true knowledge of what Manning's thought process is. Rich has always come off as a real jerk off to me anyway. Never cared for the guy at all.

yeah i caught that and turned it off also. They are correct in that any media figure can be criticised like any entertainment person but don't trash the guy for reporting what he got from a creditable source.

[drunkcookie]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

Josh Innis is a sad example of Houston radio. He's Mr. Channel Changer to me. I could care less about what kind of pie he likes (or whatever mundane personal insight he wishes to share), and his takes are rarely even interesting. Then, he does stuff like this...

I've actually warmed up to him a "tad"... Half the time i like him, half the time i can't stand him...

I will say the show's a lot easier to listen to when Rich is there, he seems to reel Josh in before he takes too much line and spools the show... It gets real bad when Koch or Straw/whoever is filling in for Rich, because he takes over... It becomes the "i received negative tweets/texts/emails, let me talk about how I'm trying to change the way radio is done in Houston and how Houston listeners are soft compared to other listeners in legit markets the whole show" show... The pecimism flows like a flooded river and I'm forced to switch stations and listen to Charlie Pallilo talk about the greatest Tennis matches of 1979...

[badboy]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Unless you have Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or someone like that on your team you have to discuss it, but the idea that people actually think there's a chance in hell that we'd pay him when Kubiak already has his guy in Schaub is borderline nuts.

Well, he has him only for one more year guaranteed and Matt has not been released to play and will not be for some time. his injury is veryserious and one of our posters is a doctor & has voiced his opinion as I recall that it could be more serious than many are giving credence to.

Just because you take a dog for a walk doesn't mean you own the dog.

[drunkcookie]

Originally Posted by badboy

Just because you take a dog for a walk doesn't mean you own the dog.

I love making up and deciphering metaphors n junk, but I'm having a hard time seeing where this one fits with what you said...explain...

[Marcus]

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup..

If Schaub is the starter at the beginning of the season, I'll be eating a ton of it, since I don't think he'll be ready in time.

All these "reports" that his rehab is progressing well enough to do that . . . I want to see the sources.

[Goatcheese]

Originally Posted by Marcus

If Schaub is the starter at the beginning of the season, I'll be eating a ton of it, since I don't think he'll be ready in time.

All these "reports" that his rehab is progressing well enough to do that . . . I want to see the sources.

Schaub thinks he'll be ready by the start of OTAs, and no doubt about Training Camp. There is a huge amount of time between camp and week 1, so it's almost certain that Schaub will be ready by the season opener barring a massive setback.

Originally Posted by Matt Schaub

I'll most likely be ready to participate in OTAs, definitely training camp be full-go

So, yeah... the source is Matt Schaub.

[dalemurphy]

Originally Posted by Marcus

If Schaub is the starter at the beginning of the season, I'll be eating a ton of it, since I don't think he'll be ready in time.

All these "reports" that his rehab is progressing well enough to do that . . . I want to see the sources.

This injury has been difficult for players to come back from, but I don't recall a quarterback suffering this injury... When players like Duce Staley and Warrick Dunn struggle to regain form as running backs, that is one thing. I'm having a hard time understanding how Schaub can't return to what he was doing last season. After all, he played the 3rd quarter with the foot broken. It isn't as if he has to make cuts at full speed. He only needs to be able to take his drops and make his throws. If the surgeon did his job, I think he'll be fine.

[Goatcheese]

While I'm in here, I'd like to say that Josh Innes is a moron.

If Dwight Howard came out tommorow and said he is definitely interested in a possible trade to Houston, would Innes blast him for poor wording?

Ofcourse not. The sentence is fine as is. Innes' mental handicap and inability to comprehend basic English is creating the problem.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Stemp

Yates is the #2 QB. If Schaub isn't ready by the start of the season Yates will be #1 and Kubiak will bring back Delhomme or some other vet to back him up like last season if Lienhart is released or signs elsewhere.

This is pretty much a moot point because everything I've heard is that Schaub will be ready by the start of training camp.


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Originally Posted by Double Barrel

It will be interesting to see the amount of crow being served when Schaub is our starter in 2012 and Yates is his backup.

As much as folks like to believe that they know how Kubiak & Co. think, often they are just confused by the voices in their own heads.

Yes, because we all know how reliable the reports are when it comes to predicting when ___________ (insert name of Texans player) will be back.

What are they going to say? "We 'hope' he is back," or "Well, we 'think' he will be ahead of schedule." Also: If I'm Matt Schaub, damn straight I'd be saying I'm ahead of schedule, And I'd lie if my foot hurt like hell, too...I'd fake it and act like I'm ready to go. Because I know the window is closing and the Texans are near the chance at a Super Bowl. The guy is driven. I don't doubt his work ethic. But I put ZERO stock in what he, his agent, or even a member of the Texans medical/training staff is saying right now. It's P.R., plain and simple.

Get me to when it counts, then let's talk about his rehab progress. Why give credence to Schaub's own status report in February when he's still supposed to be off the damn thing. Right? Isn't it 6 to 8 months NON-WEIGHT BEARING right now? I might be wrong, correct if I am...but I thought CnD said you have to be non-weight bearing, i.e. foot in the air and no weight put upon that foot, for 6 to 8 months after the surgery. When was the surgery? December'ish, right? We're roughly three months into a 6 to 8 month non-weight bearing period of time, and his rehab is "ahead of schedule?"

I take this to mean, "There have been no setbacks" because he can't put weight on it. He can't test it. The real challenge is when he can finally stand on the leg and start building strength in ALL of the leg muscles that are atrophied because of the leg not being used. Marcus has detailed this, over and over, and yet it keeps getting marginalized. We have a guy who had this VERY same thing happen to him, he's been through hell with it, he's been gracious enough to post on here the obstacles and natural challenges any normal person will go through when trying to recover form this...and we've got CnD on here saying very realistic (but not comforting) things about the injury....yet Matt Schaub says his recovery is ahead of schedule and now, apparently, there will be some crow to be eaten when Schaub Kirk Gibson's his way out of the huddle and out to the line of scrimmage for OTAs or training camp??? LOL.

I think I know which source(s) to believe, unless Matt Schaub is not a mortal man or something.

[Goatcheese]

No offense to CnD, but diagnosing a player with 3rd and 4th hand information is impossible.

Schaub is basing what he's saying on what his doctors are telling him. You know, those guys who actually treat him directly and monitor his recovery with full access to the player and his test/scan results.

[J_R]

Yeah, Bob Allen is angry. The hell with you Josh Innes! On 1560(last night I think).

"I was told Peyton wants a team that can win right away because his clock is ticking."

"I talked to someone in the Texans FO this morning. Chances are slim that this would happen. The fact he is interested though is worth mentioning."

"One side would have to adapt."

"I think Mario will be a FA. Don't think they can afford him. Not to take anything away from Mario, but Reed did a hell of a job. Think they'll get Arian and Chris signed. The money not used on Mario I think they can use on a quality receiver. Next is corner.

http://www.1560thegame.com/audio/bob...e-texans-3496/

[GP]

Originally Posted by dalemurphy

This injury has been difficult for players to come back from, but I don't recall a quarterback suffering this injury... When players like Duce Staley and Warrick Dunn struggle to regain form as running backs, that is one thing. I'm having a hard time understanding how Schaub can't return to what he was doing last season. After all, he played the 3rd quarter with the foot broken. It isn't as if he has to make cuts at full speed. He only needs to be able to take his drops and make his throws. If the surgeon did his job, I think he'll be fine.

IIRC, Brady Quin did but it was not EXACTLY like Schaub's.

I will do some research, but I think it was on Brady's non-plant foot, and I think the severity of Brady's injury to that area was not as extreme as Matt's injury.

It was discussed in a thread wayyyy long ago, though, so maybe I don't recall everything 100%.

Any player who has to make quick cuts/lateral moves, such as a RB or WR or defensive back, etc., has not been able to return and remain in the NFL.

From the link Lisfranc injuries: How it affects NFL players:

Matt Schaub of the NFL's Houston Texans sustained a midfoot sprain to the right foot, notably called a "Lisfranc" injury in last week's game. This is considered a "significant injury" which has the potential to end his season in 2011.

Why is that?

Most players require lateral movement and the ability to jump and stop suddenly after sprinting. These are all functions that the midfoot complex will play a significant role in accomplishing. The injury itself is a complicated one, with numerous variations that each of these has a significant prognosis in long term function.

This injury may have [been] a pure ligamentous tear, or even a fracture component with the ligament tear. With this, some orthopedic literature has condoned the possibility that with regards to athletes, surgery may be indicated in more cases to realign the foot and promote more stability long term.

The article says if surgery and screws are used, they don't come out for around 12 weeks (3 months) and definitely not before a doctor allows the patient to put weight on the foot. So, 3 months to 6 months (CnD said 6 to 8 months is a safer bet for this type of issue), depending on the physician's analysis of the patient, is what we're looking at for non-weight bearing. Obviously, physicians are going to treat each patient differently based on multiple factors that change fluidly as the rehab progresses.

Brady Quinn's Lisfranc injnury was, according to various reports, not as serious as Schaub's. He had a minor issue with his Lisfranc back in December of 2009, and visited a specialist. Browns Team President, Mike Holmgren, in January 2010 said:

“I met with our training staff today,” said Holmgren. “I don’t believe he’s going to need surgery. He needs some time, clearly. As far as the specifics of the injury, we can talk a little about that tomorrow. Lisfranc, that’s the first thought, yeah.”

Also, a link to this article about Lisfranc and NFL players:

The greatest concerns following treatment of a Lisfranc injury are whether the patient can regain his pre-injury mobility and, over time, whether arthritis of the joint may occur. Perhaps the most prominent NFL player to suffer a Lisfranc injury in recent years was former Eagles and Steelers' RB Duce Staley, who never quite returned to his previous level of play afterwards, proving just how difficult it is to regain full mobility of the foot.

All I'm doing here is saying that the recovery and FULL return to the field of play for an NFL player who has suffered this sort of injury, to the extent Matt Schaub has (needing screws to hold it together, just like Marcus--of this message board--has had to do, himself) is not encouraging for us.

Propers to Matt Schaub for working his ass off, obviously, and much luck to him and all that jazz...because he is our best shot with what we have at QB right now...but I won't be washing up for my dinner of crow just yet. TJ Yates is TJ Yates. Right now, he'll be the QB1 in OTAs and camp, IMO.

[GP]

Originally Posted by Goatcheese

No offense to CnD, but diagnosing a player with 3rd and 4th hand information is impossible.

Schaub is basing what he's saying on what his doctors are telling him. You know, those guys who actually treat him directly and monitor his recovery with full access to the player and his test/scan results.

He's been right a helluva' lot more than he's been wrong. For years now, btw.

Every time a Texans staff person would say "Player X is progressing well, probably be back on Y Date to make his return to the field..." CnD has been on here saying that's rubbish and has explained why.

Not saying he is 100% right all the time, but the guy has a track record of nailing the Texans' reports to the wall and doing a full autopsy of "the cause of death" to the flimsy injury report put forth by Texans staff.

I agree that CnD is not privy to what Schaub's status is. But we're also not getting the full details of what Schaub's physician is truly thinking/saying, either, which we shouldn't be privy to that (for many, many reasons!).

Therefore, I turn back to the historic long-term success rates of players in the NFL who have suffered a Lisfranc injury to the degree/severity that Matt Schaub has sustained...the numbers are not comforting.

But all things are possible. So it's purely wait-and-see mode for us as fans. Odds are better that Yates is QB1 in OTAs and camp, not Schaub, IMO.

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Marcus

How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.

I don't dismiss the possibility, but if Schaub isnt going to be ready for the season opener, two names I wouldn't be surprised to see resurface are Sage Rosenfels, and David Garrard. Both are currently available, and both were discussed as potential additions to the roster after Leinart went down.

During the 2011 season wasn't the time to add either one of these guys, but if they've recovered physically, and get an off-season to learn/re-learn the Texans system, I think it's possible either one of those guys could spend 2012 on the Texans roster. If that's the case, I could see either one of them beating out Yates for opening day starter if Schaub wasn't able to go. I also see Leinart sticking around as a real possibility if the Texans are genuinely concerned about Schaub's availability, and I believe if that's the case, there will be a true competition between he and Yates.

Right now, the Texans and Schaub are putting out the story that Schaub will be ready. While I don't believe it just because they say so, I don't put much stock in MB posters (even physicians) regarding an injury they have zero first hand knowledge of. I think what the Texans do in regard to extending or not extending Schaub early, along with seeing what they do about the 3rd QB slot will say far more about Schaub's health than anything or anyone has said so far.

[GP]

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

I don't dismiss the possibility, but if Schaub isnt going to be ready for the season opener, two names I wouldn't be surprised to see resurface are Sage Rosenfels, and David Garrard. Both are currently available, and both were discussed as potential additions to the roster after Leinart went down.

During the 2011 season wasn't the time to add either one of these guys, but if they've recovered physically, and get an off-season to learn/re-learn the Texans system, I think it's possible either one of those guys could spend 2012 on the Texans roster. If that's the case, I could see either one of them beating out Yates for opening day starter if Matt wasn't able to go. I also see Leinart sticking around as a real possibility if the Texans are genuinely concerned about Schaub's availability, and I believe if that's the case, there will be a genuine competition between he and Yates.

Right now, the Texans and Schaub are putting out the story that Schaub will be ready. While I don't believe it just because they say so, I don't put much stock in MB posters (even physicians) opinions regarding an injury they have zero first hand knowledge of. I think what the Texans do in regard to extending or not extending Schaub early, along with seeing what they do about the 3rd QB slot will say far more about Schaub's health than anything or anyone has said so far.

Put stock into the list of NFL players who have suffered the exact same injury (the same "severity" as Schaub) who have come back and failed to remain in the NFL past the 1-year mark of making their return.

Ty Law. Glenn Earl. etc., etc.

Then go back and look at CnD's history of debunking Texans' medical reports, couple that with what Marcus has been through with the exact same injury, and multiply it by the number of players who have not returned AND remained in the NFL. That's the math I am using.

Disclaimer: All things are possible.