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Old 02-14-2012   #181
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Washington desperately needs a starting QB and probably have no way to get one in draft that can start day one. Their owner has history of taking chances & spending tremendous amounts of money.
The coaches know and have worked with Schaub and the offensive scheme is similar. So an 8th is steep but one I'd take for Matt & if I were Shanny prob be willing to give for a starting QB.
In 2007 Matt had minimal experience now he is considered a top 10 QB.
The NFL would LOVE that, too. Manning vs Manning twice a year.
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Is he top 10 in his motorized scooter? Hypothetically at best we're talking the 40th pick or next years 2nd that could be bumped up to 1st.

Facts are when he's hurt, he's down for awhile. He has zero playoff experience. He's prone to making mistakes at crunch time. AJ makes him look better, they have no one in the same realm as AJ. Schaub is a product of the system ala Jake Plummer and not John Elway. Let's be honest here. A 1st for Schaub is a Madden trade.
Of course the trade would have to be if Matt is healthy or will be by TC as with any injured player. As far as WRs to throw to, there are very good receivers in 2nd, 3rd and some in 4th. Gafney had almnost 1,000 yds & several others averaged over 10 per catch.

Why would Schaub not be a product of Washington's system? He has not been to playoffs but neither has Washington & I doubt that is the goal for next year. I see 10 losses so Schaub just has to do his best, stay alive, sign a huge contract and then begin to build the team with the management.
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The NFL would LOVE that, too. Manning vs Manning twice a year.
Think we'd get a few national tv games?
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I don't feel like we have to do this. I feel like if certain conditions are present then I think it would be a successful move. If you have a healthy Peyton Manning who is at no more risk of injury than any other player that's a starting point.

I think that at the most Manning, if healthy has 4 years left, max. Well, look at our offense. How many years do you think Andre Johnson has left in him? How many does Arian Foster get to run the way he does right now? Skill position players live very short NFL lives by and large. Wade Phillips is how old again exactly? How long do you think he'll be coaching our defense?

Windows of opportunity can be very short in the NFL. I'd do this if I could be certain he was healthy and if he was more interested in rings than money over the next four years. He's been paid impressively for years to be the franchise in Indianapolis. As the team slowly became less balanced and less talented he always made up the difference. We won't pay that kind of money for him because we're not asking him to do that here. We have a team that's being described right now as one of the most balanced in football. Matt Schaub can drive this team to the playoffs and I think maybe to the Super Bowl. T.J. Yates drove this team to the playoffs. Peyton Manning can, I think win a Super Bowl with this team.

Think and try to remember just about every clutch moment you ever saw Matt Schaub have. There were plenty of them so it shouldn't be hard to do that. I'm not saying he didn't have some clutch moments. Now understand that Peyton Manning can do that, no problem. Now think of every "Awwww ****!" moment you ever saw Matt have. Those also happened often enough that you shouldn't have much trouble remembering a few of them.

Most of the last 14 years has shown us that Peyton Manning doesn't do much of that. That's just a fact. Schaub is a good QB but there aren't many players out there who couldn't be upgraded. Don't get hung up on one guy. This isn't Tom Brady or Ray Lewis or.... Peyton Manning we're talking about. It's Matt Schaub. He's as much Chris Chandler as he is Kurt Warner.

Let Mario go and get something for him if you can. Trust that Wade Phillips can identify a player who can come in and give us what we thought Brooks Reed was going to do last year. Cushing, Reed, and someone else Wade takes a shine to I think is good enough.

Try to move Matt and if you can get something for him.

Sign Manning, draft a WR, see if Wayne wants to come here and line up opposite AJ and reconnect with his QB to get a ring. Those two have never been on a team that could run like we can or that could put a defense like ours on the field. In one move you essentially lobotomize the Colts and make us the team to beat in the AFC for the next 3-4 years.

But he's got to be healthy.
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Some people have taken a personal shot at Bob Allen..

A) This guy is the longest running sports anchor, ever!
B) He is a Westbury Rebel
C) He's been credible his entire career

That said, he even acknowledges that he knows it would never happen, BUT has knowledge that it was said by a credible source....

From Bob Allen, I believe it.
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PS... It will never happen.


Can we stop it please??


PLEASE?????
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Sign Manning & Wayne in addition to resign our guys like Myers, Mario Williams and crew would be a dream come true! Somehow it could happen...AFC would be our division easily for the next few years!

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I don't feel like we have to do this. I feel like if certain conditions are present then I think it would be a successful move. If you have a healthy Peyton Manning who is at no more risk of injury than any other player that's a starting point.

I think that at the most Manning, if healthy has 4 years left, max. Well, look at our offense. How many years do you think Andre Johnson has left in him? How many does Arian Foster get to run the way he does right now? Skill position players live very short NFL lives by and large. Wade Phillips is how old again exactly? How long do you think he'll be coaching our defense?

Windows of opportunity can be very short in the NFL. I'd do this if I could be certain he was healthy and if he was more interested in rings than money over the next four years. He's been paid impressively for years to be the franchise in Indianapolis. As the team slowly became less balanced and less talented he always made up the difference. We won't pay that kind of money for him because we're not asking him to do that here. We have a team that's being described right now as one of the most balanced in football. Matt Schaub can drive this team to the playoffs and I think maybe to the Super Bowl. T.J. Yates drove this team to the playoffs. Peyton Manning can, I think win a Super Bowl with this team.

Think and try to remember just about every clutch moment you ever saw Matt Schaub have. There were plenty of them so it shouldn't be hard to do that. I'm not saying he didn't have some clutch moments. Now understand that Peyton Manning can do that, no problem. Now think of every "Awwww ****!" moment you ever saw Matt have. Those also happened often enough that you shouldn't have much trouble remembering a few of them.

Most of the last 14 years has shown us that Peyton Manning doesn't do much of that. That's just a fact. Schaub is a good QB but there aren't many players out there who couldn't be upgraded. Don't get hung up on one guy. This isn't Tom Brady or Ray Lewis or.... Peyton Manning we're talking about. It's Matt Schaub. He's as much Chris Chandler as he is Kurt Warner.

Let Mario go and get something for him if you can. Trust that Wade Phillips can identify a player who can come in and give us what we thought Brooks Reed was going to do last year. Cushing, Reed, and someone else Wade takes a shine to I think is good enough.

Try to move Matt and if you can get something for him.

Sign Manning, draft a WR, see if Wayne wants to come here and line up opposite AJ and reconnect with his QB to get a ring. Those two have never been on a team that could run like we can or that could put a defense like ours on the field. In one move you essentially lobotomize the Colts and make us the team to beat in the AFC for the next 3-4 years.

But he's got to be healthy.
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If #18 is playing in the NFL in 2012, it will be very interesting to see how it goes.

When he's firing on all cylinders, he's unstoppable. I think our offense IS a precision type of offense, which fits #18's style of game.

I just think the Texans quietly wave off the opportunity and move along...I am pretty sure they'll discuss it and kick the idea around, don't get me wrong, but at the end of the day...it feels like they'll decline to enter the Manning sweepstakes and move on with other plans.

Of course, the Rockets picked up an aging Clyde Drexler and look how that turned out.
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I will be so glad when Manning is released and signs with someone else.
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Some people have taken a personal shot at Bob Allen..

A) This guy is the longest running sports anchor, ever!
B) He is a Westbury Rebel
C) He's been credible his entire career

That said, he even acknowledges that he knows it would never happen, BUT has knowledge that it was said by a credible source....

From Bob Allen, I believe it.

J & R on 610 were super harsh on Allen. I turned it off because they were trying to clown him so much. It was kind of classless the way the handled the whole situation. There's no reason to think he would make this up if it wasn't given to him from someone with true knowledge of what Manning's thought process is. Rich has always come off as a real jerk off to me anyway. Never cared for the guy at all.
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As far as Manning's rehab, he is getting stronger, but he's still not up to Manning levels. That might be months away.

two places i don't see Manning getting chance to move to is Houston + Arizona. The Texans aren't changing QBs. Don't see Cards paying 2 QBs

I can't put a percentage on which way next week's meeting will go between Manning and Irsay. Lots of emotion involved on both sides.

From everything I hear, Andrew Luck would be comfortable having Manning with the Colts. They have a good relationship.

One of the problems facing Manning is no dome teams are in need of quarterbacks. Peyton can stay in the dome he help to build.

My opinion is the best thing for Colts and Manning to do is work it out. Manning needs time to regain strength. Staying a Colt buys time.

So what do you think. Jim Irsay leaves to door open for a possible Peyton Manning return. It can work out if Peyton want it work.

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A lot of people think Irsay is just trying to save face and look like the good guy by saying the decision is Peyton's to make. It's very unlikely that he is going to stay with the Colts. And why do people assume the Texans aren't changing QBs? Matt Schaub is entering a contract year and is also coming off season-ending surgery. Under those circumstances it isn't exactly a slam dunk that Schaub will be here much longer.
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this is why i dont hang out on the boards much during the off season. We cant sign Mario to a contract due to the cap, and now people expect us to sign Manning.

Why woould some of yall want the texans to sign him anyways ? Hell we had a superbowl team last season with TJ yates at the helm. Imagine if it had been Matt Schaub, leave well enough alone, sign a good #2 WR and a possible CB, plus the draft and call it good. Why waste money where its not needed ?

A super bowl team with Yates? lol all hopes of people taking you serious just kind of faded
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Unless you have Brees, Rodgers, Brady, or someone like that on your team you have to discuss it, but the idea that people actually think there's a chance in hell that we'd pay him when Kubiak already has his guy in Schaub is borderline nuts.
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A super bowl team with Yates? lol all hopes of people taking you serious just kind of faded
How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.
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J & R on 610 were super harsh on Allen. I turned it off because they were trying to clown him so much. It was kind of classless the way the handled the whole situation. There's no reason to think he would make this up if it wasn't given to him from someone with true knowledge of what Manning's thought process is. Rich has always come off as a real jerk off to me anyway. Never cared for the guy at all.
Rich hasn't been on this week, Straw's been sitting in for him...

Josh Innis was really going too long and too far with it yesterday... He was criticizing the wording, something like "Manning is 'definitely' interested in 'possibly' coming to the Texans..." Yah, bad wording, and Bob Allen called in and admitted it was, but was it worth that many segments of bashing? No..

They also made the point (caller brought it up, they agreed) that the wording was intentional, placed as an out for Allen to say "oh i said possibly, never said he was fo sure interested..." Bob Allen said he doesn't "do that crap", and Straw told him "it was a point a caller made, not coming from us." BS, they ran with it and hammered it... Funny how before and after Allen was on that Innis talked all tough about how he has the balls to call out media personalities in Houston, but he was silent a the whole time Allen was on the phone after introducing him with mega ass-kissing...

It is obvious from the context of all of what Bob Allen reported that he was saying that Manning was interested, there was no way for him to fall back on it... Bad wording in one freaking sentence? Yes...but we all got the point...
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How could you be taken seriously if you don't think it's possible that they will be playing next season with Yates as the starting QB?

I swear, some of you are really letting those Baltimore interceptions go to your heads.
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