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Old 02-03-2012   #1
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Watched the AFC Wild Card game vs. The Bengals and noticed that Jacoby did that catch on the bounce and get hit return of his. We've all noticed that he's done that in the past. This brought me to looking at the coaching.

Our return game hasn't been so special. Much of it could be attributed to the new kickoff rules and our defense not really giving up alot of points but our punt return game hasn't been the best either and we usually see our gunners getting burned.

Then we look at our FG kicker and missed FGs. Our cover unit is okay but not spectacular.

Is it time to start looking for Joe's replacement? Remember what upgrading a coach on one of the 3 phases of the game did for us this past year.
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Watched the AFC Wild Card game vs. The Bengals and noticed that Jacoby did that catch on the bounce and get hit return of his. We've all noticed that he's done that in the past. This brought me to looking at the coaching.

Our return game hasn't been so special. Much of it could be attributed to the new kickoff rules and our defense not really giving up alot of points but our punt return game hasn't been the best either and we usually see our gunners getting burned.

Then we look at our FG kicker and missed FGs. Our cover unit is okay but not spectacular.

Is it time to start looking for Joe's replacement? Remember what upgrading a coach on one of the 3 phases of the game did for us this past year.


Outside of a luck KR return by the Ravens where 9 people missed tackles, who gets big returns vs. our ST? You can only tell a player so much before he takes it upon himself and does dumb ****.
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Our coverage teams are excellent and Jacoby occasionally has big returns (although half of them get negated by a block in the back). Our special teams are just fine, and if you have to make a move, make it the returner,not the coach.
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Our coverage teams are excellent and Jacoby occasionally has big returns (although half of them get negated by a block in the back). Our special teams are just fine, and if you have to make a move, make it the returner,not the coach.
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Our coverage teams are excellent and Jacoby occasionally has big returns (although half of them get negated by a block in the back). Our special teams are just fine, and if you have to make a move, make it the returner,not the coach.
I agree with that. Does anyone know where we've finished compared to the league in special teams categories. I just think that Marciano didn't emphasize ball security to a player who is habitually catching a ball on the bounce on a punt return with a player that close to him.
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I agree with that. Does anyone know where we've finished compared to the league in special teams categories. I just think that Marciano didn't emphasize ball security to a player who is habitually catching a ball on the bounce on a punt return with a player that close to him.
Marciano didn't drop those balls or make questionable decisions on the field. He lacked options, options that will be addressed this off season.
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When they changed the wedge rules the ST's suffered a significant dropoff.

Jacoby was coach Joes handpicked guy.

For that reason Coach Joes gotta go.
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Lots of players do that....

I had mentioned this before that Jacoby had done the exact same thing the past week and no one complained about it because he didn't muff the punt...

He muffed one all year and he picked a terrible point to do it.
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When they changed the wedge rules the ST's suffered a significant dropoff.

Jacoby was coach Joes handpicked guy.

For that reason Coach Joes gotta go.
I don't see your line of reasoning. Jacoby Jones was 3rd in punt retrun yards. He had 0 fumbles up until Baltimore and he had not fumbled in 44 consecutive games prior going back to early 2009 season. Like someone said earlier, nobody gets many return yards against us in ST's. So that does not seem like reasonable grounds to cut Marciano. Especially when all this was accomplished because "When they changed the wedge rules the ST's suffered a significant dropoff."
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I don't see your line of reasoning. Jacoby Jones was 3rd in punt retrun yards. Had 0 fumbles until Baltimore and he had not fumbled in 44 consecutive games prior going back to early 2009 season. That does not seem like reasonable grounds to cut Marciano. Especially when all this was accomplished "When they changed the wedge rules the ST's suffered a significant dropoff."
Go look at the season and see how many times we returned a kick to the 20 vs. other teams returning it on us. I doubt you will see us getting past the 20 very many times. Now to be fair Daniel Manning did well when he had his chances.

I'm not saying I want the dude gone. I was simply asking if it is time to look around for an upgrade there. I was asking for opinions instead of saying he's gotta go.
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I don't see your line of reasoning. Jacoby Jones was 3rd in punt retrun yards. Had 0 fumbles (until Baltimore) and had not fumbled in 44 consecutive games going back to early 2009 season. That does not seem like reasonable grounds to cut Marciano. Especially when all this was accomplish "When they changed the wedge rules the ST's suffered a significant dropoff."
You're talking fumbles lost. I'm talking fumbles.

Are you saying the Texans are better on ST's since the 3/4 man wedge was outlawed by King Rodger.

The Texans are middle of the pack on ST's and that's not good enough to win a SB. IMHO

This doesn't even take into account the 2009 K.Brown fiasco/ Jacksonville fake punt fiasco under coach Joes tuteledge. (SP?)
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Joe ain't going anywhere.

Keep in mind as starters get injured, "his" special teams guy get pushed up the depth chart and many a time he has to use other players.
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Go look at the season and see how many times we returned a kick to the 20 vs. other teams returning it on us. I doubt you will see us getting past the 20 very many times. Now to be fair Daniel Manning did well when he had his chances.

I'm not saying I want the dude gone. I was simply asking if it is time to look around for an upgrade there. I was asking for opinions instead of saying he's gotta go.
How about we go to the numbers instead of speaking out of our asses sir...

Texans Kick Returns 7th (25.2)
Opponents Kick Returns 7th (22.4)

I still do not believe you provided sufficient claims for firing the guy. He's been here since day 1, so he must be doing something right.
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You're talking fumbles lost. I'm talking fumbles.

Are you saying the Texans are better on ST's since the 3/4 man wedge was outlawed by King Rodger.

The Texans are middle of the pack on ST's and that's not good enough to win a SB. IMHO

This doesn't even take into account the 2009 K.Brown fiasco/ Jacksonville fake punt fiasco under coach Joes tuteledge. (SP?)
No I am talking about fumbles AKA putting the ball on the ground. He hasn't put the ball on the gorund this season prior to Baltimore and he hasn't done it since 2009 for 44 consecutive games. If we're talking "fumbles lost" then he only lost 3 fumbles out of 9 in his entire 5 year career. So please stop speaking out of your ass because you hate the guy. I actually look up stats before I post.

No I am not saying we are better on ST. The wedge made it harder. I was just pointing out that we still were 3rd in punt return yards despite the rule change.

As for middle of the pack ST. I say NO and YES. We are better in Kick Return than Punt Return. KR we are 7th in YPG and 7th against our opponents. PR we are 15th in YPG and 15th against opponents.

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......and we've officially hit the offseason
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The final 8 weeks of the season had 8 kicks called back due to block in the back penalties. That's to say nothing of the random holding calls or such that happen. EIGHT in EIGHT weeks. That's a trend.
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Our coverage teams are excellent and Jacoby occasionally has big returns (although half of them get negated by a block in the back). Our special teams are just fine, and if you have to make a move, make it the returner,not the coach.
ummm... isn't that reflective of suspect coaching?
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...Are you saying the Texans are better on ST's since the 3/4 man wedge was outlawed by King Rodger.

The Texans are middle of the pack on ST's and that's not good enough to win a SB. IMHO...
We are better in returns than both teams in the SB.


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Texans Kick Returns 7th (25.2)
Opponents Kick Returns 7th (22.4)

I still do not believe you provided sufficient claims for firing the guy. He's been here since day 1, so he must be doing something right.
We have improved this year in most categories.

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         2010 -> 2011     Pats    Giants
Kicking  26th ->  7th      6th     11th
Punting  26th -> 20th     10th     13th
FG/PAT    5th -> 15th     12th     23rd
Returns  27th ->  7th     29th     21st
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ummm... isn't that reflective of suspect coaching?
Maybe...

...but I don't think a coach tells players to block in the back or to commit a penalty. I'm almost certain they would always say the opposite.

Of course, usually when you tell someone (especially young person like ST's players are) not to do something they usually do it anyways. i.E. Jacoby Jones fielding punts this season off the bounce, eventually caught up with him. You have to keep in mind that ST's is composed up of the best players, just some exceptional athletes that aren't good enough to get into the rotation. Most of these guys just want to make that "big block" or "big play" to get in good graces with coaches and hopefully get some playing time.
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...but I don't think a coach tells players to block in the back. Usually when you tell someone (especially young person like ST's players are) not to do something they usually do it anyways. i.E. Jacoby Jones fielding punts this season off the bounce, eventually caught up with him. You have to keep in mind that ST's is composed up of the best players, just some exceptional athletes that aren't good enough to get into the rotation.
Of course the coaches don't tell the players to do that dumb stuff...
Perhaps if there were serious repercussions when that stuff happens.

...fines?
...extra push-ups?
...withholding of sprinkles? (okay, let's not get TOO crazy )

....man, it's gonna be a looooonng off-season.
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