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Old 02-09-2012   #141
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Manning still appears to have a "noodle arm" at this point.



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Kind of defeats the purpose of pursuing him for stability at the position.
I've seen this assessment of Manning's decline in arm strength before and stated that will be the determining factor as to how effective he will be if/when he gets to play again.

How soon his arm returns to it's former level of strength is just as much of an unknown as how soon Schaub's foot will completely (or at least acceptably) heal.

To assume one thing (Peyton will return to full strength) will happen and the other won't (Schaub won't be back to full <ahem> mobility) is guessing on everyone's part. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Mister Manning could never succeed in Kubiak's offense. Peyton likes to change plays at the line of scrimmage and call plays on the quick count—good strategies that Kubiak won't permit.
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This is the silliest notion I've heard. I don't think Peyton to Houston is happening either, but to suggest that Manning couldn't succeed in this offense is flat out foolish. The guy is a 1st ballot future HOF'er. He was given the reigns to the offense in the offense to an extent in Indy, but trust me if he was here Kubiak would give him the freedom to make adjustments in this offense as well.

Having an offensive mind like Peyton being able to read the defense, and check out of a bad play is a blessing. Not a curse.
I agree with Texn4life. Kubiak has worked with two HoF QBs already, John Elway and Steve Young, so it's not like he's some rigid taskmaster that cannot adapt to circumstances.

I do not think Manning will play in 2012 or ever again, to be honest. And I think it's a very long shot that he'd end up on the Texans if he does play again.

But, to suggest that Kubiak would be unable to work with a high caliber player like Manning is really underestimating our head coach.
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Personally, I feel that I don't ever want to see Pay-Me-A-Ton Manning on a football field ever again. Not because I hate the fact that he continually destroyed OUR Texans, but because of his neck injuries.... That ****e is serious! I'm truly concerned about a human being that has had 3 neck surgeries.... That's truly concerning.

DUDE, you gave the league about 15 +/- years.... Enjoy your place in history and take care of yourself!!

Its not like his neck issues have carried the potential of him never walking again. He is at no more health risk than any other player
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what play or who hit Manning to cause his neck injuries? Was there a single play that started it, or was it general punishment over the years?
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what play or who hit Manning to cause his neck injuries? Was there a single play that started it, or was it general punishment over the years?
I don't know who hit him, but I bet Bernard Pollard get blamed.
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I don't know who hit him, but I bet Bernard Pollard get blamed.
I want to say he said it was a hit from Mario early in the year, but he played through it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
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I want to say he said it was a hit from Mario early in the year, but he played through it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong though.
Manning didn't play a down of the 2011 season.
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Manning didn't play a down of the 2011 season.
Lol, wow...... I know I didn't say early in what year, but because even the dumbest of football fans can use assumptions I would think you would know I was talking about the 2010 year. Wow, just wow.
Not to self: Always state the year of anything for the brain dead football fan.
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Just out of curiosity, does anyone know what play or who hit Manning to cause his neck injuries? Was there a single play that started it, or was it general punishment over the years?
According to Tony Dungy, it was a specific hit:

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His neck problems prompted his former coach, Tony Dungy, to pinpoint the moment of their origin: an Oct. 22, 2006, game against the Washington Redskins. Talking with Peter King on NBC’s NFL preview show Saturday night, Dungy recalled that Manning’s neck was wrenched and his helmet ripped off when he took a low hit by Andre Carter, followed by a high hit by Phillip Daniels. The anecdote was relayed by King, who said that Manning stretched his neck when he got up and shook his right arm “as if trying to get the feeling back in it.

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Lol, wow...... I know I didn't say early in what year, but because even the dumbest of football fans can use assumptions I would think you would know I was talking about the 2010 year. Wow, just wow.
Not to self: Always state the year of anything for the brain dead football fan.
Dude, seriously? infantrycak is one of the smartest cats on this board, and it appears to me that you are attempting to troll the forum's lead moderator. yeah, that works when throwing the brain dead blast around.
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Dude, seriously? infantrycak is one of the smartest cats on this board, and it appears to me that you are attempting to troll the forum's lead moderator. yeah, that works when throwing the brain dead blast around.
I wasn't calling him brain dead. I was saying that for future reference I would state the year so it wasn't mistaken by someone who was brain dead. He responded to something I said. I don't have a reason to troll him. The fact that he thinks that I don't know that Peyton Manning didn't play last year says more about him, not me.

For the record, I don't have any real idea what it is to "troll". Every individual on this board is equal in my view. I'll treat each person the same moderator or not. If he took it that I insulted him in any way then I do apologize. I've seen him posting for quite awhile here and the official team board being a lurker for a while so I don't question his intelligence one bit.
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I wasn't calling him brain dead. I was saying that for future reference I would state the year so it wasn't mistaken by someone who was brain dead. He responded to something I said. I don't have a reason to troll him. The fact that he thinks that I don't know that Peyton Manning didn't play last year says more about him, not me.

For the record, I don't have any real idea what it is to "troll". Every individual on this board is equal in my view. I'll treat each person the same moderator or not. If he took it that I insulted him in any way then I do apologize. I've seen him posting for quite awhile here and the official team board being a lurker for a while so I don't question his intelligence one bit.
It's cool, man. We have fans of all depths and degrees, so I think he was just trying to be helpful.

To be honest with you, I thought you meant this year when I first read it, as well. And you did invite a reply with "Someone correct me if I'm wrong though".
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It's cool, man. We have fans of all depths and degrees, so I think he was just trying to be helpful.

To be honest with you, I thought you meant this year when I first read it, as well. And you did invite a reply with "Someone correct me if I'm wrong though".
True, and I never was an English major so my wording or choice of words sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

I did try to find something about Peyton mentioning a hit from Mario back in 2010, and can almost swear he said he thought he felt something during one of those games that year. I can only find an article from Dungy which you quoted though saying that he thought a 2006 hit against the Redskins could have been the initial source of the problem. Kind of hard to believe that he played with a neck injury of that sort for 4 years.
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True, and I never was an English major so my wording or choice of words sometimes leaves a lot to be desired.

I did try to find something about Peyton mentioning a hit from Mario back in 2010, and can almost swear he said he thought he felt something during one of those games that year. I can only find an article from Dungy which you quoted though saying that he thought a 2006 hit against the Redskins could have been the initial source of the problem. Kind of hard to believe that he played with a neck injury of that sort for 4 years.
There could have been a hit in early 2010 that aggravated it, but the initial surgery occurred in the off season preceding that. Indy's last Super Bowl appearance was after the '09 season (February of 2010), and Peyton had neck surgery within weeks of that game.

There's a comment in the article that's right in line with Dungy's comment:

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This condition has existed intermittently for the past four years, but at no time did it interfere with his training, practice or playing regimen," the Colts said. "While it never has affected Peyton's activity on or off the field, the Colts' medical staff, after post-playoff examination, thought it best to resolve the situation now.
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There could have been a hit in early 2010 that aggravated it, but the initial surgery occurred in the off season preceding that. Indy's last Super Bowl appearance was after the '09 season (February of 2010), and Peyton had neck surgery within weeks of that game.

There's a comment in the article that's right in line with Dungy's comment:



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It's cool, man. We have fans of all depths and degrees, so I think he was just trying to be helpful.

To be honest with you, I thought you meant this year when I first read it, as well. And you did invite a reply with "Someone correct me if I'm wrong though".
Honestly DB, I read it the same way. Although, I am no where near the intellect level that Chris or you are on.
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I agree with Texn4life. Kubiak has worked with two HoF QBs already, John Elway and Steve Young, so it's not like he's some rigid taskmaster that cannot adapt to circumstances.

I do not think Manning will play in 2012 or ever again, to be honest. And I think it's a very long shot that he'd end up on the Texans if he does play again.

But, to suggest that Kubiak would be unable to work with a high caliber player like Manning is really underestimating our head coach.
At least you said it politely.
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Lombardi: Peyton Manning cannot throw to his left, lacks velocity.

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Appearing on Bill Simmons Bs Report this morning, NFL Network's Mike Lombardi said people who are catching Peyton Manning's passes as he rehabs say his passes not only lack velocity but that he cannot throw to his left.

He can't throw the ball across his body, because he doesn't feel it. People that catch the ball for him say he doesn't really have velocity on the ball yet." Lombardi is skeptical of any franchise hinging its hopes on Manning. The hope, of course, is that Manning will regain feeling in his arm as the nerve regenerates
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Sounds like that "if" I was talking about is going to play a factor.

I had said "if" he can throw passes, all of them, consistently and for a long duration, that the Texans should at least approach him and his agent.

But the reports Brisco has been sharing seem to shed light upon his future that doesn't look very bright.

Anybody know if that type of nerve situation will ever fully or even almost-fully regenerate itself or is he pretty much screwed and therefore this is the best he can achieve with it???
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interesting this morning Mike and Mike had a report from Christ Mortensen saying that his throwing has improved a great deal. It wouldnt be a shock for his velocity to be off though
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