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Old 03-07-2012   #441
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the pick. And honestly, y'all can blast me if you want to. You don't have to be nice about it. I wouldn't have volunteered to take over the team if I couldn't handle it.

As I stated before, at this spot in the draft any WR would have been a slight reach. And I had Perry rated as the highest player still on the board. I wanted Perry pretty bad but I just couldn't pass on Randle, who I see as an impact player at WR.

Considering the QB play at LSU, I would say that Randle was better than just solid this year. It is hard for a skill player to stand out when the QB can't put the ball in his hands. Randle did manage to account for over 40% of his team's receiving total (about the same rate as Hill).

Randle did manage 5 catches in his two matchups against Kirkpatrick. Not impressive by any stretch but he wasn't exactly shutout. Furthermore, bashing Randle for his performance against Alabama seems silly. Alabama was far and away the best defense in the entire country. And it's not close at all. How many NFL players do they have on that defense? And how many does LSU have on their offense? But the only matchup that matters is Randle vs Kirkpatrick? Did you watch the games? LSU's offensive line was over matched from the word go. And their QBs were even worse. What is Randle supposed to do? Line up at QB and throw the ball to himself?

Here is how Hill did against his top competition:
1 catch against David Amerson (North Carolina St)
0 catches against Chase Minnifield (Virginia)
1 catch against Brandon McGee (Miami)
2 catches against Jayron Hosley (Virginia Tech)

Not exactly a world beater. And don't even bother comparing the offensive styles. LSU only averaged 10 passing yards more per game. The difference is Georgia Tech's passing game was supported by a MUCH better rushing attack, thus taking pressure off of the QB and WRs.



I don't have a problem with this statement. The problem I have is that most of the people spouting this support Hill for the pick, and he showed even less in his college career than Randle did.
I hear you, please read my previous post where I breakdown Randle against top 25 competition.

Randle reminds me of Limas Sweed. Like Sweed, Randle had tons of talent and upside. He had iffy speed. He played great against lesser competition and was inconsistent against the top schools in college. He went mid to late 2nd round and never panned out.
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And if you really want to delve into statistics, for all the credit Hill gets for the numbers he put up in that offense, he really did most of his damage in two games.

Against Western Carolina and Middle Tennessee he totaled 7 catches for 307 yards and 3 TDs.

In his other 11 games, all against BCS teams. He had a whopping 21 catches for 513 yards and 2 TDs.

I just don't understand why Hill gets a free pass. Randle was a more complete and productive player. He is more pro ready. He has a good size and speed combination. But Hill ran a 4.36 so all of that is moot apparently...
I have not addressed Hill in any of my posts. Not sure why you brought him up, but yeah, I wouldn't draft Hill in the first either for most of the same reasons.
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I have not addressed Hill in any of my posts. Not sure why you brought him up, but yeah, I wouldn't draft Hill in the first either for most of the same reasons.
I must have mistaken you for another poster. I thought you had showed support for picking Hill earlier. My mistake.

Most of the critique about the pick seems to be that I should have taken Hill instead of Randle. that is why I have been comparing the two.
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I must have mistaken you for another poster. I thought you had showed support for picking Hill earlier. My mistake.

Most of the critique about the pick seems to be that I should have taken Hill instead of Randle. that is why I have been comparing the two.
I think you compare

1. Randle
2. Konz
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I think you compare

1. Randle
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I didn't really consider Konz because I think we bring back Myers.

As I have said numerous times, I love Perry but decided to go with Randle. Perry is the better player, but I seem to have Randle rated higher than most. I think he is a solid #2 option who just needs a little bit of work on his underneath routes.

I am comfortable enough with Barwin and Reed that I decided to pass on Perry and take an OLB later in the draft for depth.
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I didn't really consider Konz because I think we bring back Myers.

As I have said numerous times, I love Perry but decided to go with Randle. Perry is the better player, but I seem to have Randle rated higher than most. I think he is a solid #2 option who just needs a little bit of work on his underneath routes.

I am comfortable enough with Barwin and Reed that I decided to pass on Perry and take an OLB later in the draft for depth.
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Cause you won't make everybody happy . Last year the guy took a CB then a safety and got hammered .
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I wanted Melvin Ingram and should neg rep Bah for not making it happen. But I know that he had Randle ranked ahead of him and Luck/RG3 at the top of his board.


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I wanted Melvin Ingram and should neg rep Bah for not making it happen. But I know that he had Randle ranked ahead of him and Luck/RG3 at the top of his board.


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I don't know if it's SuperMario or Dutchrudder entering the picks into the selection thread, but I have a request.

Is there any way that you could put the owner's name beside each pick so we can keep track with who made the selection? If it's a pain in the arse, don't worry about it. Just a suggestion.
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Who's up? And can someone post the 2nd round order? (hard to search on my phone)
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Round 2

St. Louis (2-14) pbat488
Indianapolis (2-14) Doppelganger
Minnesota (3-13) Section516
Tampa Bay (4-12) TexansSeminole
Cleveland (4-12) Dutchrudder
Jacksonville (5-11) Hou-Tex
Washington (5-11) Aussie Texan
Carolina (6-10) Timekiller
Buffalo (6-10) Texan4Ever
Miami (6-10) RMartin65
Seattle (7-9) Ndevine7
Kansas City (7-9) Honoring Earl 34
Dallas (8-8) SteelBTexan
Philadelphia (8-8) Shaft75
New York Jets (8-8) kiwitexansfan
New England (8-8) Beerlover
San Diego (8-8) Srrono
Chicago (8-8) MistaRed
Philadelphia (8-8) Shaft75
Tennessee (9-7) Seņor Stan
Cincinnati* (9-7) Kaiser Toro
Detroit* (10-6) Super Mario
Atlanta* (10-6)
Pittsburgh* (12-4) Stingray
Denver* (8-8) JCTexan
Houston* (10-6) Bah007
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Anyone surprised by a player not getting drafted in the first?

Looking for 3 Huskers to get drafted this round... you better not let me down
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Anyone surprised by a player not getting drafted in the first?

Looking for 3 Huskers to get drafted this round... you better not let me down
I'm surprised no one took a chance on Ryan Tannehill. Thought someone might. Maybe Pbatt will, he's an Aggie...

There are 4 picks before the next one for the Browns. I have one guy that I'm really hoping makes it to me, but all 4 teams ahead of me could use him too...
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I'm starting to have some buyers remorse with Trent Richardson.

He was too talented to pass up considering there is a need there but the Jets have so many defensive holes that need plugging....
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Didn't the Texans take Rueben Randle?

Edit: I just checked...you are incorrect...

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Oh well. My feelings aren't gonna get hurt when people disagree. I actually enjoy the debating back and forth.
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And if you really want to delve into statistics, for all the credit Hill gets for the numbers he put up in that offense, he really did most of his damage in two games.

Against Western Carolina and Middle Tennessee he totaled 7 catches for 307 yards and 3 TDs.

In his other 11 games, all against BCS teams. He had a whopping 21 catches for 513 yards and 2 TDs.

I just don't understand why Hill gets a free pass. Randle was a more complete and productive player. He is more pro ready. He has a good size and speed combination. But Hill ran a 4.36 so all of that is moot apparently...
You dont have to defend your pick.

Randle will be good, solid 10 yr starter. < Jordan Jefferson

Hill is a combine guy, who has the potential to be the best WR in this draft (His ceiling) Or Jacoby Jones (his floor) Give me the most pro ready WR with the least bust potential. I must be getting old. Or the Jacoby Jones project has jaded me. LOL

Personally I would've taken Kontz in the 1st and Marvin Jones in the 3rd. But I'm all on board the Rueben Randle train.

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