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Old 03-07-2012   #421
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It's good to be Bellibeer! With 31st pick, New England Patriots select a stud 5-tech DE out of University of Connecticut, Kendall Reyes. 6-4 300 lbs. Ran a 4.79 forty, 36 reps & 34.5 vertical @ the combine. Bellibeer is addressing front seven with two starting caliber defensive studs who will provide much improved Patriot pass rush.
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With the 32nd pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Super Bowl Champion New York Giants select...

Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford

Two of the Giants tight ends went out with ACLs. Because the injuries happened in February, they may not be ready for the start of the season. Fleener is a big-bodied TE that gives the Giants flexibility, ala the Patriots with Gronkowski.
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Well, that concludes round 1. St. Louis is on the clock!

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Just want to reiterate this, it's for everyone's benefit so this doesn't last until the actual draft. Also, make sure your profile is set to an email that you use often.

One other thing that can help speed up this process is to enable email from other members on your profile. To enable it, go to "User CP", then click "Edit Options" on the side and make sure you have the box checked for "Receive Email from Other Members". I may use that to notify people when they have it enabled.



Please, add to the end of your post where you make a pick, who the next team is, who the owner is, and say if you PM or email them to notify them of the pick. We have 200 more selections to go, and it will take forever if we can't track people down.
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It's good to be Bellibeer! With 31st pick, New England Patriots select a stud 5-tech DE out of University of Connecticut, Kendall Reyes. 6-4 300 lbs. Ran a 4.79 forty, 36 reps & 34.5 vertical @ the combine. Bellibeer is addressing front seven with two starting caliber defensive studs who will provide much improved Patriot pass rush.
Jeez. Evil England gets Perry AND Reyes. That's almost unfair!!!
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It's good to be Bellibeer! With 31st pick, New England Patriots select a stud 5-tech DE out of University of Connecticut, Kendall Reyes. 6-4 300 lbs. Ran a 4.79 forty, 36 reps & 34.5 vertical @ the combine. Bellibeer is addressing front seven with two starting caliber defensive studs who will provide much improved Patriot pass rush.
Aren't the Pats running a 4-3 now?

I mean, either way both guys fit into the defense (Perry at RE and Reyes at 3'), but I just wanted to clarify.
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Aren't the Pats running a 4-3 now?

I mean, either way both guys fit into the defense (Perry at RE and Reyes at 3'), but I just wanted to clarify.
From what I have seen they play a hybrid 3-4/4-3 based on matchups and downs.
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love the reyes pick his going to be a stud.
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dare i say it the pats may be actually drafting well this year
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From what I have seen they play a hybrid 3-4/4-3 based on matchups and downs.
That makes sense. I'm dealing with the same thing drafting for Baltimore.
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With the 26th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, the Houston Texans select:

Rueben Randle - WR, LSU



I was greatly tempted to take Nick Perry, the top talent left on the board here. But with the overwhelming need for an impact WR I was forced to take one here.

The choice came down to Randle or Stephen Hill. Despite Hill's higher potential ceiling I decided to go with Randle. I think he has a higher floor and the ability to be a bigger contributor at the beginning of his career.

Randle has good size and speed. He catches the ball with great hands instead of letting it come into his body. He runs great routes down the field. He may need some work on his underneath routes but I am confident that he has the skills and potential of a first round prospect.
I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.
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I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.
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I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.
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I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many.

I don't see Randle as a first rounder and would prefer a player who has shown more for the Texans pick, but that, of course, is merely my opinion.
Not entirely accurate. Randle caught 5 passes in the two games against Alabama, which might still look bad to the observer. However, LSU QB's only completed 20 passes in the two games combined and only 14 of those were to WR's. Of those 14, 4-5 were screens to their two slot guys (Beckham Jr. and Shepard). So Randle caught 5 of the 10 or so non-screen completions to wideouts in the 2 games.

You can blame the LSU passing game (mainly Jordan Jefferson) for his lack of statistical prowess this year. He was fairly productive while Jarrett Lee was the QB and then Les Miles inexplicably pulled the kid in favor of Jefferson and gave him about 5 snaps total in the last 7-8 games.

Randle actually caught 53 passes for 917 yds and 8 td's, which surprised the hell out of me because the LSU passing game was horrid this year, ranked #110 or something like that (and they aren't an option team). He also had all 4 of LSU's 100+ yd receiving games this year.
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I understand why you made the pick, but I disagree. I think Randle is overrated and is only this high on many boards becuase the Texans need a WR. To me, he is a late second round talent, not a late first rounder.

Now, I know a lot of people here really like him, but I am wary. His 40 time is slower than expected. But, moreso, he really didn't stand out positively at LSU this year. He had a solid season, but does solid warrant 1st round pick?

I know he didn't have a great QB, but i expect more of a first round pick. My biggest concern is that he played against Dre Kirpatrick and the Alabama Defense twice this year. In each game he was held without a catch. Kirkpatrick is a quality Pro Prospect, but he is not Revis. Kirpatrick is a solid cornerback, the kind of player he will face every week in the NFL. In addition, like I said, the guy played against Dre Kirpatrick a second time. You would think with additional film and time to work, he could have gotten at least one catch, in the second game but he didn't. It is almost like he didn't learn a single thing from his first matchup.

The NFL is all about adjustments. Failing to make a catch suggests to me he did not make enough adjustments between the two games. How many top receivers in the NFL have been shutout by the same cornerback twice in the same season? Not too many....
Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the pick. And honestly, y'all can blast me if you want to. You don't have to be nice about it. I wouldn't have volunteered to take over the team if I couldn't handle it.

As I stated before, at this spot in the draft any WR would have been a slight reach. And I had Perry rated as the highest player still on the board. I wanted Perry pretty bad but I just couldn't pass on Randle, who I see as an impact player at WR.

Considering the QB play at LSU, I would say that Randle was better than just solid this year. It is hard for a skill player to stand out when the QB can't put the ball in his hands. Randle did manage to account for over 40% of his team's receiving total (about the same rate as Hill).

Randle did manage 5 catches in his two matchups against Kirkpatrick. Not impressive by any stretch but he wasn't exactly shutout. Furthermore, bashing Randle for his performance against Alabama seems silly. Alabama was far and away the best defense in the entire country. And it's not close at all. How many NFL players do they have on that defense? And how many does LSU have on their offense? But the only matchup that matters is Randle vs Kirkpatrick? Did you watch the games? LSU's offensive line was over matched from the word go. And their QBs were even worse. What is Randle supposed to do? Line up at QB and throw the ball to himself?

Here is how Hill did against his top competition:
1 catch against David Amerson (North Carolina St)
0 catches against Chase Minnifield (Virginia)
1 catch against Brandon McGee (Miami)
2 catches against Jayron Hosley (Virginia Tech)

Not exactly a world beater. And don't even bother comparing the offensive styles. LSU only averaged 10 passing yards more per game. The difference is Georgia Tech's passing game was supported by a MUCH better rushing attack, thus taking pressure off of the QB and WRs.

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I don't have a problem with this statement. The problem I have is that most of the people spouting this support Hill for the pick, and he showed even less in his college career than Randle did.
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Not entirely accurate. Randle caught 5 passes in the two games against Alabama, which might still look bad to the observer. However, LSU QB's only completed 20 passes in the two games combined and only 14 of those were to WR's. Of those 14, 4-5 were screens to their two slot guys (Beckham Jr. and Shepard). So Randle caught 5 of the 10 or so non-screen completions to wideouts in the 2 games.

You can blame the LSU passing game (mainly Jordan Jefferson) for his lack of statistical prowess this year. He was fairly productive while Jarrett Lee was the QB and then Les Miles inexplicably pulled the kid in favor of Jefferson and gave him about 5 snaps total in the last 7-8 games.

Randle actually caught 53 passes for 917 yds and 8 td's, which surprised the hell out of me because the LSU passing game was horrid this year, ranked #110 or something like that (and they aren't an option team). He also had all 4 of LSU's 100+ yd receiving games this year.
You were correct. I had a brain fart. He did have 4 100+ games this year.

But he also had 3 games where he had a single catch (Oregon, Kentucky, and Ole Miss). He also had 2, 2 catch games (Bama and Georgia). In big game scenarios he came up awfully small. 5 catches for a 32 yards in 2 games against Bama and 2 for 15 yards in the SEC championship game.

He played 6 Top 25 teams: Oregon, West Virginia, Kentucky, Auburn, Bama, and Georgia.

Here are his stats:
Oregon: 1 catches, 10 yards, 1 td
West Virginia: 6 catches, 53 yards, 1 td
Kentucky: 1 catch, 37 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 2 catches 19 yards, 0 tds
Auburn: 5 catches, 106 yards, 2 tds
Georgia: 2 catches 15 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 3 catches 13 yards.

Outside of the Auburn game he put up numbers against non Top 25 teams. He was wildly inconsistent in his play. Some of it due to the QB, sure, but a first round WR should be more consistent. When the spotlight of the big games came, he disappeared.

There is no consistency to his game. He has a lot of talent and upside, but for a first rounder I want to see more production. Thus, I don't rate him as a first round talent, but as a late second.
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You were correct. I had a brain fart. He did have 4 100+ games this year.

But he also had 3 games where he had a single catch (Oregon, Kentucky, and Ole Miss). He also had 2, 2 catch games (Bama and Georgia). In big game scenarios he came up awfully small. 5 catches for a 32 yards in 2 games against Bama and 2 for 15 yards in the SEC championship game.

He played 6 Top 25 teams: Oregon, West Virginia, Kentucky, Auburn, Bama, and Georgia.

Here are his stats:
Oregon: 1 catches, 10 yards, 1 td
West Virginia: 6 catches, 53 yards, 1 td
Kentucky: 1 catch, 37 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 2 catches 19 yards, 0 tds
Auburn: 5 catches, 106 yards, 2 tds
Georgia: 2 catches 15 yards, 0 tds
Bama: 3 catches 13 yards.

Outside of the Auburn game he put up numbers against non Top 25 teams. He was wildly inconsistent in his play. Some of it due to the QB, sure, but a first round WR should be more consistent. When the spotlight of the big games came, he disappeared.

There is no consistency to his game. He has a lot of talent and upside, but for a first rounder I want to see more production. Thus, I don't rate him as a first round talent, but as a late second.
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And if you really want to delve into statistics, for all the credit Hill gets for the numbers he put up in that offense, he really did most of his damage in two games.

Against Western Carolina and Middle Tennessee he totaled 7 catches for 307 yards and 3 TDs.

In his other 11 games, all against BCS teams. He had a whopping 21 catches for 513 yards and 2 TDs.

I just don't understand why Hill gets a free pass. Randle was a more complete and productive player. He is more pro ready. He has a good size and speed combination. But Hill ran a 4.36 so all of that is moot apparently...
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