How do you feel about Kubiak?

[Carr Bombed]

Originally Posted by cbs1507

Bill Belichick was 41-55 in his first 6 years. I guess that guy from the radio didn't think much of him either.

And then he went on to win 3 SBs....see where the comparison doesn't compute.

This isn't a trash Gary Kubiak post, but simply a "don't compare him to belichick" post, because it's kinda silly at this point in time.

[clutch]

If anyone thinks kubiak is going anywhere is delusional..with the team we have now..he will be the coach for years to come..unless we are horrible next year..then by all means NEXT MAN UP!!

[Carr Bombed]

Originally Posted by clutch

If anyone thinks Kubiak is going anywhere is delusional..with the team we have now..he will be the coach for years to come..unless we are horrible next year..then by all means NEXT MAN UP!!

Nothing will get you fired faster than high expectations.. The team we have now has nothing to do with Kubiak being here long term. How Kubiak is able to handle the talent on this team and meet those expectations will decide how much longer he coaches here. For our sake I hope he's the coach for a long time, because like another poster said...that means we're having a lot of success.

[cbs1507]

Originally Posted by Carr Bombed

And then he went on to win 3 SBs....see where the comparison doesn't compute.

This isn't a trash Gary Kubiak post, but simply a "don't compare him to belichick" post, because it's kinda silly at this point in time.

Yeah but those 3 rings have the benefit of hindsight...see where your observation doesn't compute. Do you think people gave "the hoody" all the praise he gets now after his 6th season? I am not comparing the 2. I am just pointing out that even HOF coaches don't just come into the league and start winning. Belichick struggled early on and learned from his mistakes. I think we can clearly see that Kubiak has learned from mistakes from past seasons, but some people can't get over the past. I think Kubiak has this franchise going in the right direction.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by cbs1507

Yeah but those 3 rings have the benefit of hindsight...see where your observation doesn't compute. Do you think people gave "the hoody" all the praise he gets now after his 6th season? I am not comparing the 2. I am just pointing out that even HOF coaches don't just come into the league and start winning. Belichick struggle early on and learned from his mistakes. I think we can clearly see that Kubiak has learned from mistakes he has made. I think he has this franchise going in the right direction.

Your comparison makes perfect sense. Only a Kubiak hater would not be able to see the parallel.

[SuperSerial]

Originally Posted by IDEXAN

Parcells had a saying: "you are what your record says you are", which means Kubiak is a winner. End of story.

Kubiak has a losing record as a head coach. Wipe the Kool Aid off your face.

End of story.

[SuperSerial]

Originally Posted by IDEXAN

Parcells had a saying: "you are what your record says you are", which means Kubiak is a winner. End of story.

Kubiak has a losing record as a head coach. Wipe the Kool Aid off your face.

End of story.

[cbs1507]

Originally Posted by SuperSerial

Kubiak has a losing record as a head coach. Wipe the Kool Aid off your face.

Kubiak is 47-49 after 6 seasons. Do you think he will have a losing record after next year?

Bill Bellichick was 41-55 after 6 seasons. Heck he won the SB the next season with a 11-5 record (which would have made his record 52-60). Did that make him a loser?

[Lucky]

Originally Posted by kiwitexansfan

I voted for 10 years. I like stability.

Also if he is here for ten years it means we are being successful.

Kubiak was here for 5 years, and the team was not successful. If he's here another 10 years, it may mean that he's really McNair's illegitimate son.

Originally Posted by Double Barrel

What I don't want to see is a Jeff Fisher record. 16 years as HC of the Titans and only 6 winning seasons / playoff appearances.

Matching Fisher's record would mean Kubiak would take the Texans to the playoffs 5 of the next 10 seasons. I'd want more, but that is probably an above average ratio. And if one of those 5 years included a Super Bowl Championship, I would call it a very satisfactory 10 years.

Originally Posted by DonnyMost

I feel the same about him as I always did. He's an OC, Wade is a DC. Together they make a good tandem.

Gary has always been the head coach of the Texans offense. Now, he has a head coach of the Texans defense. It's working.

Originally Posted by cbs1507

Bill Belichick was 41-55 in his first 6 years. I guess that guy from the radio didn't think much of him either.

Belichick became a much better coach when he got Tom Brady. Just like Kubiak became a better head coach when he got Wade Phillips.

Originally Posted by ChampionTexan

I think while there's a ton of culpability for it on Kubiak's part, he's been the victim of some extraordinarily bad defensive coordinating prior to this year.

Kubiak has not been the victim. He personally selected those coaches. As Sean Payton personally selected Williams and now Spags. The difference is that Kubiak could only recruit his buddies from Denver. Payton canvassed the NFL coaching ranks and brought in the very best he could find. That's why Payton > Kubiak.

Kubiak will be here in Houston for the foreseeable future. He's about to get an extension. Wade will also be here. At least until the Texans win a Super Bowl, and the defense carries him off the field, ala Buddy Ryan and the '85 Bears. Right now, I'm very content with the coaching situation. I reserve the right to change my mind after an 8-8 season.

[Thorn]

Originally Posted by cbs1507

Kubiak is 47-49 after 6 seasons. Do you think he will have a losing record after next year?

Kubiak wouldn't be in good graces right now if it weren't for Wade Phillips. You take Phillips out of the equation for last season, and Kubiak would have had his normal crappy season. Wade saved Kubiak's ass, and that's all there is to it.

[4Texans]

Originally Posted by Pantherstang84

The problem with Mr. Jason Cole of Yahoo Sport's thought process of his AFC Coach of the Year vote is this...

He was supposed to be voting for Coach the Year.

Not coach of the decade. Name another team that had to rely on 4 different starting QBs in the same season and still won their division and won a playoff game..

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This is what I was looking for.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Pantherstang84

The problem with Mr. Jason Cole of Yahoo Sport's thought process of his AFC Coach of the Year vote is this...

He was supposed to be voting for Coach the Year.

Not coach of the decade. Name another team that had to rely on 4 different starting QBs in the same season and still won their division and won a playoff game.

The problem with the intellectually lazy is that they let their prejudices and emotions guide their thoughts and not logic. Just another hack with a keyboard.

Well...

That was part of his point...

Kubiak had not done anything miraculous the past few seasons he was here...He did give him credit for keeping the offense functional and keeping the team playing hard despite injuries, but he was basically saying that he didn't think he was a well rounded head coach. He said he was a brilliant offensive mind, but he would need to see more seasons like this one (perhaps one without Wade) to be convinced that Kubiak had actually morphed into a good head coach and deserved coach of the year.


I didn't agree with some of what he said, but I thought he made some good points.

I'll just be honest...The more I have thought about it, the more scared I am of this team without Wade (or a D cord of his caliber)...Just seems like the team played differently when Wade was gone and he was the main attraction again.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

My opinion, Kubiak doesn't get a contract extension unless he can put together back to back winning seasons......



Kubiak has a losing record as a HC. The Texans have a winning record for 2011.

I'm surprised at your vote TK...

I took you for an ardent Kubiak supporter.

I'm actually kind of surprised by the votes in general. I thought more people would have voted that he deserved a one year grace period based on this year.

[axman40]

Originally Posted by Rey

I'm surprised at your vote TK...

I took you for an ardent Kubiak supporter.

I'm actually kind of surprised by the votes in general. I thought more people would have voted that he deserved a one year grace period based on this year.

Did you see the two games without Wade?

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Lucky

Kubiak was here for 5 years, and the team was not successful. If he's here another 10 years, it may mean that he's really McNair's illegitimate son.

In the ultimate terms of Ws & Ls, you're correct. However, when looking at the big picture, from a franchise's perspective, mildly successful?

Maybe?

We've got a great foundation with a young core.

Originally Posted by Lucky

Matching Fisher's record would mean Kubiak would take the Texans to the playoffs 5 of the next 10 seasons. I'd want more, but that is probably an above average ratio. And if one of those 5 years included a Super Bowl Championship, I would call it a very satisfactory 10 years.

Nothing's guaranteed. However, this pretty much describes our future outlook at this time.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

I'll just be honest...The more I have thought about it, the more scared I am of this team without Wade (or a D cord of his caliber)...Just seems like the team played differently when Wade was gone and he was the main attraction again.

All those guys love Kubiak.

But they played their asses off for Wade's approval..... they played for Wade. Take Wade away & they have to find another reason to put it all on the line. Which is why I think it was bull**** to think Wade interviewing with TampaBay was not a distraction.

The way Wade handled the situation, as if he was unaware of the distraction it would cause... leads me to understand why he shouldn't be a head coach. I doubt Wade could have kept this team together with what they've been through the 5 seasons prior.

But Kubiak did.

[thunderkyss]

Originally Posted by Rey

I'm surprised at your vote TK...

I took you for an ardent Kubiak supporter.

Most people do. My arguments are usually about providing balance to the conversation. The anti-Kubiak rhetoric has been so out of whack for so long, I'm usually trying to provide Kubiak-pro arguments.

The man has his weaknesses, but so do all head-coaches. Bellichick, Billick, Parcells, JJohnson, Crennel, Fox, Rex, etc... ain't none of them perfect.

Are his weaknesses so big that they'll keep us from reaching the Super Bowl? Are they so big they'll hold this team back from multiple play-off appearances? Are they so big they'll prevent this team from multiple back-to-back winning seasons?

We'll see.

[cbs1507]

Originally Posted by Thorn

Kubiak wouldn't be in good graces right now if it weren't for Wade Phillips. You take Phillips out of the equation for last season, and Kubiak would have had his normal crappy season. Wade saved Kubiak's ass, and that's all there is to it.

First of all we didn't need Wade. We NEEDED a good defensive coordinator. Wade Phillips was the best one available. I am tired of fans believing it was Wade that did everything. He fixed the defense. That's it. When we had all those mediocre seasons we had mediocre to poor defense. We have been a top 10 offense in every season since 2007. Top 5 since 2008. Wade had nothing to do with offense. That was never our problem.

Every coach needs a great supporting cast.

Belichick hasn't won a SB since Charlie Weis left. He hasn't won a playoff game prior to this season (if you want to count Denver because they will probably lose to the Ravens) since Josh McDaniels left.

Peyton was 7-9 and 8-8 in the 2 seasons prior to his hiring of Gregg Williams. He won the SB the next year.

Pittsburgh Steelers have Dick Lebeau.

You can make the argument that none of these coaches would have done anything with the supporting cast that they made the accomplishments with.

[bckey]

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

All those guys love Kubiak.

But they played their asses off for Wade's approval..... they played for Wade. Take Wade away & they have to find another reason to put it all on the line. Which is why I think it was bull**** to think Wade interviewing with TampaBay was not a distraction.

The way Wade handled the situation, as if he was unaware of the distraction it would cause... leads me to understand why he shouldn't be a head coach. I doubt Wade could have kept this team together with what they've been through the 5 seasons prior.

But Kubiak did.

For once I totally agree with you. Great post!

[burro]

Kubiak is the best offensive coordinator that we have ever had and I hope we keep it that way.