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Jacoby Jones 13 12.50%
Baltimore's defense 15 14.42%
Home field advantage 0 0%
Lack of secondary receiving options 10 9.62%
Rookie inexperience 66 63.46%
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Old 01-16-2012   #21
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

To me, that's what it looks like when you take the cuffs off the rookie.

If he could have played a solid game like he did in Cincy.... we'd have been much better off.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

In this poll I would have to say inexperience...but in reality I lean towards none of the above.

The reason? I think there's a pretty good chance that TJ Yates was over-coached, at no fault of the coaches and/or backup QBs. As Yates' starts increased, the general consenus was that he was an accident waiting to happen, i.e. that the true rookie would come out eventually. You could see TJ teetering on the brink several times, despite posting better completion rates and QB ratings. But one thing (of many) I marked as the season wore on...

As opposed to his first few games, Yates demeanor changed in interviews. His verbiage changed, as well. Instead of a high level of confidence, as exhibited early on, he started speaking more about his mistakes in practice. Kubiak changed his tune a little, too. More and more Yates began to speak of how much Schaub, Leinart, Jake and Garcia were helping him. Then you have Knapp, Dennison and Kubiak. That's 4 more people in his ear than Schaub would have gotten.

The point is, after the Cincy game, I don't even think Yates' footwork looked the same; and though Yates looked pretty calm on the sidelines, it looked like that was more out of meekness rather than the fire we saw when he talked back to Kubiak there on the sidelines that one game.

In a nutshell, once they began going conservative on offense, there was no turning back for such a young guy. Then they attempted to put in a less conservative gameplan, and it made Yates unsure of himself instead of using his natural abilities. The punch in his play was gone.

I hope it didn't ruin him. If it didn't, then TJ Yates should be a damn good QB in the future if he really takes from this experience.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

None of the above. All his WR's dissapeared in crunch time. It was like they ran away from opportunities to make plays on the ball. I'm I the only one who noticed TJ Yates last bomb, into the endzone, hit Kevin Walter on back of his neck? He never even turned head.
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Ed Reed happened to Yates .....
He threw the ball into double coverage where Reed was. He should have been a lot more strategic about knowing to be careful about throwing near Reed of all people like that. Reed's been making big plays for years so the last thing you ever want to do is throw a floater in the air into double coverage with him around there. That's just asking for mistakes. Yates did that all game to Reed and never seemed to realize how costly it kept being. Rookie QB or not, it was just stupid.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

One thing that stuck out to me was the Baltimore defensive gameplan. I think everyone was expecting for the type of game our defense played (5 sacks, constant pressure, very aggressive) and instead we got a bunch of deep safeties and double coverage.

Yates did struggle somewhat against the blitz in the Bengals game, but he also made the biggest play of the game against it. I don't know if this was the Ravens plan all along or if they took it up after they jumped to a big lead, but it really put a lot of pressure on Yates to make good decisions against a lot of defenders, and the result was obviously 3 picks.

Had Schaub been playing, or if we had been playing with a lead, the Ravens could not afford to give us as much time in the pocket and as much success as we had on the ground, and they would have been forced to expose their corners to single coverage a lot more often, but that's the bad luck we had and the hole we dug ourselves in.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

So according to the poll, do 67.39% believe that JD or JG would have won that game for us?
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One thing that stuck out to me was the Baltimore defensive gameplan. I think everyone was expecting for the type of game our defense played (5 sacks, constant pressure, very aggressive) and instead we got a bunch of deep safeties and double coverage.

Yates did struggle somewhat against the blitz in the Bengals game, but he also made the biggest play of the game against it. I don't know if this was the Ravens plan all along or if they took it up after they jumped to a big lead, but it really put a lot of pressure on Yates to make good decisions against a lot of defenders, and the result was obviously 3 picks.

Had Schaub been playing, or if we had been playing with a lead, the Ravens could not afford to give us as much time in the pocket and as much success as we had on the ground, and they would have been forced to expose their corners to single coverage a lot more often, but that's the bad luck we had and the hole we dug ourselves in.
It was their game-plan. Last thing Kubiak said in the after-game press conference was that he and his staff didn't expect that and had to make adjustments in the middle of the 1st quarter. Yates is better at avoiding sacks than he is at avoiding Ints. when there is full coverage by a darn good secondary.
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So according to the poll, do 67.39% believe that JD or JG would have won that game for us?
Hard to say. As inexperienced as Yates was, Delhomme and Garcia may have made mistakes as well. My gut says Delhomme would have given us a better chance to win but we'll never know.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

It was just a perfect storm of imperfection.

TJ is a rook. He played great. For a rook. He still had us in position to win the game at the end and hit KW in the shoulder on a surprise hail-mary that could have worked.

But ultimately, he was a rook. He wasn't making the right decisions. He was locking onto guys and trying to force them to make a play. Other times, he wasn't seeing that he was being baited into making the wrong throw. He wasn't taking what the defense was giving him, he was trying to force things.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

All of the above is true.. all of these things contributed, but as to why we lost the game.. id blame that one on the Ravens Defense.

All of these issues have been apparent since yates became the starter, but it was the Ravens defense which created a situation in which these factors cost us the game. A less skilled defense would have allowed us to squeak by and win the game.. especially considering how great our defense was playing.

Jacoby (and turk) provided us with horrible field position all day, and Jones made us play from behind.

A lack of secondary receiving options hurt...and the ball was going to Andre a little too often.

Homefield advantage... I like to think that the crowd support in Reliant would have pushed us towards making a couple big plays on offense but im not so sure. And its not like our defense needed any help shutting down the Ravens offense. The turnovers on offense were the gamebreaker.

Rookie inexperience was probably the second biggest issue. Yates has great poise...great touch on the ball..and great pocket awareness.. but he seemed like he was having issues playing at the NFL speed. He wasnt doing a great job on checking down and he had problems staring down his receivers. A couple more seasons on the bench might cure these issues.
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It was their game-plan. Last thing Kubiak said in the after-game press conference was that he and his staff didn't expect that and had to make adjustments in the middle of the 1st quarter. Yates is better at avoiding sacks than he is at avoiding Ints. when there is full coverage by a darn good secondary.
Pretty good gameplan by the Ravens. Even if Kubiak and the team had prepared for it, I'm not sure if it would have made much of a difference. Can't teach a rookie how to read coverages like the Ravens show in a week.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

Baltimore sending few blitzers and dropping 7 into strong coverage killed Yates' reads. Yates is a rookie. Ed Reed is simply unbelievable (can we clone 2 of him?) and Jacoby's fumble sucked it up as well. And the receivers disappeared. All valid reasons.

This was a team loss.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

TJ is a gunslinger like Rex Grossman but more athletic:

https://twitter.com/#!/search/realti...tes%20grossman
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I hadn't thought of it that way.
Some of those tweets were kinda funny
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Rookie inexperience
All of the above.

It was a tall order for a 5th round rookie QB who was inactive for the first 10 weeks of the season to overcome all of the above.
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Default Re: What happened to Yates?

Got to think that TJ's development will be given a massive boost for having this opportunity to carry the team through what, by rights, should have been a wasted season.

You lose your best player on D for the season, Your QB for the season, your best 2 players on O for much of the season, and plenty of other key pieces, thats when you expect a team to collapse.

What happened was a huge confidence booster and showed that the team can pull through together.

As for TJ, QB's in his position (Drafted 5th round) wouldn't normally get the chance to see the field for years, if at all, apart from a few pre season snaps here and there.

Now Yates goes back to being a backup with all that great experience, and can work on his deficiencies whilst understanding what they look like in a real game. You'd have to think that as long as he's strong minded enough to not let the INT's in the final game bother him, then it'll be a huge positive for him as he sits for a few years.

As for Schaub, here's hoping he's ready to go by the start of the season, but even if he does return healthy, the guy is no spring chicken and is the wrong side of 30 I believe, so conceivably Yates has a chance to take over the reigns from him at some point in the medium-long term future, which has to be great motivation for the guy to continue to work hard.
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None of the above. All his WR's dissapeared in crunch time. It was like they ran away from opportunities to make plays on the ball. I'm I the only one who noticed TJ Yates last bomb, into the endzone, hit Kevin Walter on back of his neck? He never even turned head.
I thought it hit his forearm???

Anywho...

Maybe I'm one of the few, but I don't think Yates played bad at all. I think he played pretty good. He actually made some plays against that d...

The one play where he got away from Ngata to complete that pass was very nice.

He threw some bad balls, but I think considering the circumstances he played very well and we could have won with how he played.
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Oh man, "F#$K it, I'm going deep." -- Rex Grossman/TJ Yates



That had to be my favorite bwhahaha!
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None of the above.

Yates problem is he has no zip on the ball. Weak ass passes.

Bad decision making aside, the ball takes way too long to get there.

The good QBs throw into tight coverage all the time and get it done with mustard on the ball.
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