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Old 01-16-2012   #21
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Unless I'm totally missing your point, Hartmann was a UDFA wasn't he?
thats right, I wanted him in the 7th
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I think a lot of you are blowing this our of proportion, why shouldn't we sign a 6 or 7th rounder to compete? whats the harm in that? since when did competition become a bad thing?
A-80, sometimes, I want to neg rep you just because I think you are trying to stir the pot...lol.

I think what your esteemed fans are trying to say is, yes, bring in competition, but not at the cost of a draft pick. K/P is a postion that's rarely drafted unless there's a real gem out there. Course, I could be talking out of my rear here too....
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A-80, sometimes, I want to neg rep you just because I think you are trying to stir the pot...lol.

I think what your esteemed fans are trying to say is, yes, bring in competition, but not at the cost of a draft pick. K/P is a postion that's rarely drafted unless there's a real gem out there. Course, I could be talking out of my rear here too....
Since most of you don't know me, here is how I feel about 6 and 7 rounders. I say use them on k or p because most of the time they do not amount to much, hell even use them as special team aces, but quit picking projects because they have failed and have been a waste for US....using a 7th on a kicker that you like, ensuring you get him, to come in and compete, how is that a waste?
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A-80, sometimes, I want to neg rep you just because I think you are trying to stir the pot...lol.

I think what your esteemed fans are trying to say is, yes, bring in competition, but not at the cost of a draft pick. K/P is a postion that's rarely drafted unless there's a real gem out there. Course, I could be talking out of my rear here too....
I think if you're in desperate need of a kicker, you can justify using a low round pick to get the guy you want.

If you are Houston and you feel you might be able to upgrade but it isn't a necessity, you definately have to draft the best player you can find at that spot who's going to have a chance to improve the rest of your team 2 or 3 years down the line.
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I think if you're in desperate need of a kicker, you can justify using a low round pick to get the guy you want.

If you are Houston and you feel you might be able to upgrade but it isn't a necessity, you definately have to draft the best player you can find at that spot who's going to have a chance to improve the rest of your team 2 or 3 years down the line.
How has that worked for us? The only time is has, was 2009, which was our BEST draft ever.....every other time those players don't work out.
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I think a lot of you are blowing this our of proportion, why shouldn't we sign a 6 or 7th rounder to compete? whats the harm in that? since when did competition become a bad thing?
That wasn't the original poster's intent. Have you seen anyone say competition was a bad thing? The idea that we should just summarily let Rackers go is what's being attacked. If the team finds a better kicker, hooray. I think we're all for that. But you don't cut your very productive kicker in order to take a chance on a bunch of unprovens. Since when is it bad that Rackers should stick around to compete with these draft picks or UDFAs? See how straw man arguments work?
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How has that worked for us? The only time is has, was 2009, which was our BEST draft ever.....every other time those players don't work out.
Faggins, CC Brown, David Anderson, Studdard, Diles, McCain, Nolan, all these guys were picked in the 6th or 7th round and went on to make a significant impact to our team years down the line.

Now, I'm aware that you will come back at me telling me that almost all of these were garbage, but think about it, they were our best available options at the time, we had no better player available to us than our 6th/7th round pickup.

Therefore, those choices in the late rounds made our team better later on. Hard to argue taking a flyer on a Kicker when you already have a high quality one on the roster when you see how many of the guys picked up at that point end up making a contribution at some stage, whether out of necessity or whatever.
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Faggins, CC Brown, David Anderson, Studdard, Diles, McCain, Nolan, all these guys were picked in the 6th or 7th round and went on to make a significant impact to our team years down the line.

Now, I'm aware that you will come back at me telling me that almost all of these were garbage, but think about it, they were our best available options at the time, we had no better player available to us than our 6th/7th round pickup.

Therefore, those choices in the late rounds made our team better later on. Hard to argue taking a flyer on a Kicker when you already have a high quality one on the roster when you see how many of the guys picked up at that point end up making a contribution at some stage, whether out of necessity or whatever.
Faggins, Brown, Anderson, Diles are gone and I already said 2009 was our best draft ever.....Just because they played a lot doesn't mean they were useful....And I am saying taking a flyer on a k is worth it compared to taking a flyer on a skilled position....
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That wasn't the original poster's intent. Have you seen anyone say competition was a bad thing? The idea that we should just summarily let Rackers go is what's being attacked. If the team finds a better kicker, hooray. I think we're all for that. But you don't cut your very productive kicker in order to take a chance on a bunch of unprovens. Since when is it bad that Rackers should stick around to compete with these draft picks or UDFAs? See how straw man arguments work?
he should stick around to compete
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Faggins, Brown, Anderson, Diles are gone and I already said 2009 was our best draft ever.....Just because they played a lot doesn't mean they were useful....And I am saying taking a flyer on a k is worth it compared to taking a flyer on a skilled position....
Seriously, they made our team better than it would have been without them. That makes them useful.

If they weren't the best we could get our hands on at the time, they wouldn't have been playing.

And that is before I get onto the contribution Diles made to this team until 'coaching' got the better of him last season.
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Seriously, they made our team better than it would have been without them. That makes them useful.

If they weren't the best we could get our hands on at the time, they wouldn't have been playing.

And that is before I get onto the contribution Diles made to this team until 'coaching' got the better of him last season.
Are you seriously keeping a straight face telling me Faggins and Brown made our team better?
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Rackers was ranked 24th in FG/XP and 29th in kickoffs for 2011 by ProFootballFocus.
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There was a comment in todays Austin paper about Phil Dawson being available and he wants to come back to Texas, but that also could be inferring Dallas too. I could see him being a Texan, we need more former Longhorns anyway.
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Are you seriously keeping a straight face telling me Faggins and Brown made our team better?
Yes I am, they beat out everybody else the Texans were capable of signing at that time, the guys who were backing them up weren't as good as them, they guys who got cut in TC, weren't as good as the backups.
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Let's get that A&m kicker. You know the best in the country. He is really good and the kicker can be the difference in the playoffs as we have seen many times.
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Let's get that A&m kicker. You know the best in the country. He is really good and the kicker can be the difference in the playoffs as we have seen many times.

and the regular season. Sebastian Janikowski basically beat us with his FG's from long range. 3 of 50+ yards and 1 of 42 yards last season.
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The Texans brought in A&M kicker Randy Bullock for a visit.. looks like they might be interested in picking this guy up if hes available late in the draft..

Randy Bullock, Kicker, Texas A&M, 5’9″ 212 lbs.

Considered the premier kicker coming out of college football (Lou Groza Award Winner) and also from Head Coach Gary Kubiak’s Alma Mater, this could possibly be a fit for the young kicker, especially with no signed kicker on the active roster. (Source: Jason Braddock per Pro Football Talk)
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The Texans brought in A&M kicker Randy Bullock for a visit.. looks like they might be interested in picking this guy up if hes available late in the draft..

Randy Bullock, Kicker, Texas A&M, 5’9″ 212 lbs.

Considered the premier kicker coming out of college football (Lou Groza Award Winner) and also from Head Coach Gary Kubiak’s Alma Mater, this could possibly be a fit for the young kicker, especially with no signed kicker on the active roster. (Source: Jason Braddock per Pro Football Talk)
He's from the area also. He went to Klein HS. IIRC he was the kicker for the varsity team when he was a freshman back in 2005 (which was my senior year at Klein).

I wonder when's the earliest the Texans would consider drafting a kicker?
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Really, thats a real crap shoot. We know what we have with Rackers.
YUP!! Kris Brown... Lite.
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