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Old 02-17-2012   #81
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Yea, but millionaires dont live the life of thousandaires.....they have bills based on the MILLIONS they project to make.....for every guy who saved money im willing to bet there are 2 who live based on money not based on needs.....
Two words: Lamar Lathon

Granted, he never got paid like a superstar back then but he always lived in small apartments. The only thing he went crazy when spending his money was on his cars.
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I think Gary would prefer a more veteran qb IN CASE something like last season happens again, plus a rookie wr is not NEAR as good as a veteran. For every Julion Jones there is at least 4 Carlos Rogers.....gambling on a rookie to save money would be foolish
5 years in and Jacoby is still making rookie mistakes. What's your point? In this case, a rookie is just as risky as the "veteran".
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5 years in and Jacoby is still making rookie mistakes. What's your point? In this case, a rookie is just as risky as the "veteran".
the point is you sign someone who is ACTUALLY good, which will cost good money
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I just wish the NFL got rid of the salary cap. Just like the game had before 1994. The Houston Texans could spend anything they wanted on any player, and they would likely be the highest-spending team in the AFC. But the game would get crazy. Owners like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder would always have the Cowboys and Redskins near the top of payrolls: Yankees and Red Sox type of thing.
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I wish they would hurry up and get his deal done. Please do not put the tag on him.
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Yup, but we can't sign everyone. If we sign Myers and Foster you can say bye to Mario.
What do you base this on? What do you expect Mario's cap number to be?
What do you expect Foater & Myers to be?
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I just wish the NFL got rid of the salary cap. Just like the game had before 1994. The Houston Texans could spend anything they wanted on any player, and they would likely be the highest-spending team in the AFC. But the game would get crazy. Owners like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder would always have the Cowboys and Redskins near the top of payrolls: Yankees and Red Sox type of thing.
The it would be like baseball and basketball. The NFL has the best deal going and all involved are getting rich. Even in the uncapped year, Texans did not spend excessive money.
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I just wish the NFL got rid of the salary cap. Just like the game had before 1994. The Houston Texans could spend anything they wanted on any player, and they would likely be the highest-spending team in the AFC. But the game would get crazy. Owners like Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder would always have the Cowboys and Redskins near the top of payrolls: Yankees and Red Sox type of thing.
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The it would be like baseball and basketball. The NFL has the best deal going and all involved are getting rich. Even in the uncapped year, Texans did not spend excessive money.
It's true but right now they have a ton on talent on both sides of the ball. I'd even argue that the talent level of the Texans is better than any other team in the league. I believe they might have drafted two or three more future pro bowlers in the 2011 draft last year. J.J. Watt especially, this guy has a chance to become an elite all pro and one of the best players in the game at his position. When the time is right, he'll be due a hefty pay raise that is on par with the highest-paid defensive players in the game.

Without a salary cap it would be a lot easier to keep all of our great players, while still having the luxury of adding talent in free agency. For example, we could re-sign Mario, Myers and Foster without any cap concerns and still focus on possibly adding a free agent wide receiver like Reggie Wayne. During the uncapped year there wasn't a whole lot for the Texans to do at that time. We certainly weren't a Super Bowl contender or even playoff team like we are now.

I'll tell you one thing. It's nice to have this problem though. I don't remember the Texans in a position to lose a great player during the Capers and Casserly era. Even though Casserly's last draft might be remembered as his best one.
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BullsonParade, I think you're missing the entire point of the Salary cap.... no **** it would be easier to sign all our players, you're not telling anyone anything new. But the parity in the league is what drives the success of the NFL... unlike baseball & basketball, that's the point Marcus & badboy are trying to get across.

Secondly, let's assume the $18M dollar number is right, concerning Mario's 2011 salary. The Texans can realistically sign him to a contract on par with Peppers' & still negotiate a $10M cap number (realistically, this should be our only concern). Realistically, Foster's cap number should be in the $6M dollar range & Myers should be in the $3M-$5M dollar range.

In other words, Mario's 2011 salary alone provides enough (nearly) to sign our three most important FAs this offseason. With 14 other FA coming off the books in 2012 the situation is not as dire as chicken little is trying to portray.

Thirdly, the salary cap is going to go up in the near future. No need to worry about "finding" money to sign JjWatt, Conor Barwin, etc.... etc....
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I tend to agree with you. I don't think getting rid of the salary cap would cause a competitive inbalance.

pre-1994 small market teams were relevant and competitve. Some of the best teams from the 80s were small market teams. Broncos, 49ers, and Bengals just to name a few.

It all comes down to how you manage your team and the coaches you have in place.

You mentioned Jones and Snyder. Sure those two are known to spend a lot of money, but when have they ever got it right? They spend a lot of money because their teams are poorly run. They often screw up the draft so to compensate they usually end up having to overpay for marginal talent.

Trust me. No one should be afraid of Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder spending their way to a championship.
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I tend to agree with you. I don't think getting rid of the salary cap would cause a competitive inbalance.

pre-1994 small market teams were relevant and competitve. Some of the best teams from the 80s were small market teams. Broncos, 49ers, and Bengals just to name a few.

It all comes down to how you manage your team and the coaches you have in place.

You mentioned Jones and Snyder. Sure those two are known to spend a lot of money, but when have they ever got it right? They spend a lot of money because their teams are poorly run. They often screw up the draft so to compensate they usually end up having to overpay for marginal talent.

Trust me. No one should be afraid of Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder spending their way to a championship.
That's preposterous! I don't know whether that's more naivete than selfishness.

If they did that, (do away with the salary cap) the mere perception alone of competitive imbalance, would make me wash my hands of the NFL. Even if the Texans won the Super Bowl, it would be tainted, because I would know they were one of the "haves" in the sham league of "haves" and "have-nots".
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The salary cap is pretty much a myth anyway. This is the first year in FOREVER that teams have actually had to make difficult decisions on rosters. Hell the Raiders and the Redskins were always players in free agency year after year, even though they always made HORRIBLE financial decisions (Exhibit A).

And after this year the cap is going to go right back up to insanity levels anyway really it's kinda like there is no salary cap.
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The salary cap is pretty much a myth anyway. This is the first year in FOREVER that teams have actually had to make difficult decisions on rosters. Hell the Raiders and the Redskins were always players in free agency year after year, even though they always made HORRIBLE financial decisions (Exhibit A).

And after this year the cap is going to go right back up to insanity levels anyway really it's kinda like there is no salary cap.
Which is probably why there will be a minimum spend in 2013. Players are going to start getting paid..... right now, it's only the "stars" that are making money hand over fist...

I would think owners are making a killing if they aren't spending at or near the cap.... unless the previous CBA had that money going to the players union somehow, which I doubt.
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Which is probably why there will be a minimum spend in 2013. Players are going to start getting paid..... right now, it's only the "stars" that are making money hand over fist...

I would think owners are making a killing if they aren't spending at or near the cap.... unless the previous CBA had that money going to the players union somehow, which I doubt.
The players should be happy with the contract they got; owners will still get fat but players will really get snouts in the feed trough.
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Which is probably why there will be a minimum spend in 2013. Players are going to start getting paid..... right now, it's only the "stars" that are making money hand over fist...

I would think owners are making a killing if they aren't spending at or near the cap.... unless the previous CBA had that money going to the players union somehow, which I doubt.
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BullsonParade, I think you're missing the entire point of the Salary cap.... no **** it would be easier to sign all our players, you're not telling anyone anything new. But the parity in the league is what drives the success of the NFL... unlike baseball & basketball, that's the point Marcus & badboy are trying to get across.

Secondly, let's assume the $18M dollar number is right, concerning Mario's 2011 salary. The Texans can realistically sign him to a contract on par with Peppers' & still negotiate a $10M cap number (realistically, this should be our only concern). Realistically, Foster's cap number should be in the $6M dollar range & Myers should be in the $3M-$5M dollar range.

In other words, Mario's 2011 salary alone provides enough (nearly) to sign our three most important FAs this offseason. With 14 other FA coming off the books in 2012 the situation is not as dire as chicken little is trying to portray.

Thirdly, the salary cap is going to go up in the near future. No need to worry about "finding" money to sign JjWatt, Conor Barwin, etc.... etc....
Man, you just don't get it. ITS ABOUT OUR FUTURE, not being able to sign the guy or not....its about signing guys other than him in the next 2 years.

Ryans, AJ, Antonio Smith, Eric Winston, Cushing and JJo have escalating contracts, they will get paid more the deeper into their contracts we get.

Not to mention the simple escalators but ones that will add up like Brandon Harris, JJ Watt, Brown etc....the point is its not nearly as simple as you make it out to be

And for every guy that is cut or we don't resign we need to replace so its not like we have all that money to pay ONE GUY once we drop 10 guys from our books. You need to replace them with equally or better talent and it costs $$$ to do that....
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Man, you just don't get it. ITS ABOUT OUR FUTURE, not being able to sign the guy or not....its about signing guys other than him in the next 2 years.

Ryans, AJ, Antonio Smith, Eric Winston, Cushing and JJo have escalating contracts, they will get paid more the deeper into their contracts we get.

Not to mention the simple escalators but ones that will add up like Brandon Harris, JJ Watt, Brown etc....the point is its not nearly as simple as you make it out to be

And for every guy that is cut or we don't resign we need to replace so its not like we have all that money to pay ONE GUY once we drop 10 guys from our books. You need to replace them with equally or better talent and it costs $$$ to do that....
In the post you quoted I demonstrated how this is not an either or proposition, using just Mario's 2011 cap hit. We've still got other options to free up money for the 2012 season.

2013 is another story all together. The salary cap will go up.

If the cap were to stay at $120M, or even go down, your concerns would be valid.

I do admit, I do not know how the escalating contracts of our current players will affect the cap for the 2012 season. No one does. I have yet to see a reliable source provide that information.

Instead of saying we can't do it because of that, I choose to play with the money we know we'll save by signing Mario to a long term deal. Like I said, we can sign Mario, Myers, & Foster for $18M in 2012.
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Here's the best I can come up with.

It shows us having $25M of cap room. That, supposedly accounts for all current contracts. I'm proposing we sign Mario, Myers, & Foster with $18M, leaving us $7M to play with.

We currently have $39.3M tied up in 5 players. $25.7 of it in just 3 players. Andre, Schaub, & Antonio

They may not want to mess with Schaub, since he is near contract end. Substitute Demeco's $7.1M for Schaub's $8.3M & that's $24.5M that can be restructured to free up money to sign anyone you want outside of Mario, Myers, & Foster (because we already locked them up with the $18M). Antonio Smith & Demeco Ryans should be no brainers for renegotiations.
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Here's the best I can come up with.

It shows us having $25M of cap room. That, supposedly accounts for all current contracts. I'm proposing we sign Mario, Myers, & Foster with $18M, leaving us $7M to play with.

We currently have $39.3M tied up in 5 players. $25.7 of it in just 3 players. Andre, Schaub, & Antonio

They may not want to mess with Schaub, since he is near contract end. Substitute Demeco's $7.1M for Schaub's $8.3M & that's $24.5M that can be restructured to free up money to sign anyone you want outside of Mario, Myers, & Foster (because we already locked them up with the $18M). Antonio Smith & Demeco Ryans should be no brainers for renegotiations.
Thats all fine and dandy for now, but how you gonna sign Schaub, Brown, Cushing and Watt long term? None of the contracts you are willing to sign will come off the books PRIOR to these guys hitting free agency, and you assuming Smith and Ryans will re-do their deals is far fetched, Ryans paid for dirt cheap before getting his large deal, doubt he gives it up and Smith left AZ for more money, why would he give some up? And that was AFTER they went to the super bowl and they were considered contenders.....


We are finally out of cap hell and making moves like you suggest would put us right back in it.....sometimes youre going to lose GREAT players, its not about Mario, its about the Texans and were fine without him on the field and were MUCH better cap wise without him
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