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Old 01-17-2012   #61
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theres always the option of factoring in a big signing bonus, which doesnt count against the cap space at all...only issue is that money is guaranteed, and im not so sure Bob wants to fork that over for as much of a business as it is...
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theres always the option of factoring in a big signing bonus, which doesnt count against the cap space at all...only issue is that money is guaranteed, and im not so sure Bob wants to fork that over for as much of a business as it is...
Provide us a link that backs up your assertion that the signing bonus doesn't count towards the cap.
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BOTH! The system works with the right fit and he's the right fit.

Now, that said, it wasn't the system that made that spectacular catch the other day. It wasn't the system that embarrassed Michael Griffin in Tennessee on that cut-back. It's not the system that produces his uncanny speed for a bigger guy, etc. etc...

Make him one of the top three paid running backs, excluding Chris Johnson ridiculous deal.
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Foster is going to get paid and he deserves it. In the confines of our system he is the best back in the NFL. The guy knows his skill set fits perfectly with the zone blocking scheme and he knows we had another back go for 1000 this year. He also knows he had the most 100 yard rushing games this year out of any back, 7, added another 600+ through the air, leading our team in receiving for 3 weeks while Andre was out, all while only playing in 12.5 games. The guy has also become the face of our franchise. He is a colorful person whom is a good interview and genuinely draws natural interests to the Texans. He will get paid with deal roughly in the 5-6 year $38-45 million range.

Ben Tate nor anyone in the league is the player Foster is in our system and he needs to be paid like it. He is the best player on our team right now, today. Period.
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theres always the option of factoring in a big signing bonus, which doesnt count against the cap space at all...only issue is that money is guaranteed, and im not so sure Bob wants to fork that over for as much of a business as it is...
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Provide us a link that backs up your assertion that the signing bonus doesn't count towards the cap.
Umm, yeah, RunTexans is wrong. Very, very wrong.

Could you imagine the NFL if bonuses didn't count against the cap at all? Every marquee player would get huge signing bonuses and minimal salary. It would totally suck and turn into the NBA.

Anyways, signing bonuses are divided among the years on the contract. Optional years included. If a player is cut before the end of the contract, the remainder of the signing bonus will count against the cap for the year the player is cut. Roster, incentive and other bonuses not attained do not count against the cap and won't be paid.
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Foster will get his. To much good PR with him on the team not to give him a little and he seems like a high character guy, something I'm sure Bob McNair takes notice of every day.

I really hope he doesn't want an Andre Johnson sized contract though that would be no bueno.
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Foster will get his. To much good PR with him on the team not to give him a little and he seems like a high character guy, something I'm sure Bob McNair takes notice of every day.

I really hope he doesn't want an Andre Johnson sized contract though that would be no bueno.
Good point, Bob knows he'll have more pennies to count with Foster wearing a Texans jearsy & less without.
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Ben Tate is a good back but he is not foster pay the man that got you to the playoffs. Personally I think you pay foster and trade Tate for picks.
I think they have got to keep Tate. What's the half-life of an NFL running back? Of a Texans running back?

Pay Foster good money, but be careful with how long he is projected to be near his current level.
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I think they have got to keep Tate. What's the half-life of an NFL running back? Of a Texans running back?

Pay Foster good money, but be careful with how long he is projected to be near his current level.
This. They were the best 1-2 punch in the NFL this year. I see no reason to mess that up.
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Can't believe we are talking about pinching Foster to keep Mario. We lose Mario no huge problem. We lose Foster bad news. Just my opinion
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Can't believe we are talking about pinching Foster to keep Mario. We lose Mario no huge problem. We lose Foster bad news. Just my opinion
Who is talking about that?

Most of the conversation I have heard has involved letting Mario go to make sure we sign both Myers and Foster.
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Cut Leinert & Jacoby=$6m and move along.
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Yup, but we can't sign everyone. If we sign Myers and Foster you can say bye to Mario.
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Cut Leinert & Jacoby=$6m and move along.
Not that simple, you would still need to replace them. And a quality WR will cost some good money.
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Not that simple, you would still need to replace them. And a quality WR will cost some good money.
I honestly don't think we need to look very far to replace someone like Jacoby. I would rather move Casey and OD to WR than to put Jacoby back in as a wide out. I think that both Mario and Foster as well as Myers really like it here and are not guys who look to make top dollar, just a fair deal. Considering all the stories we hear about how these players truly like each other, I think there is a good chance they give us discounts and others re-working their contracts to make it all work.
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I honestly don't think we need to look very far to replace someone like Jacoby. I would rather move Casey and OD to WR than to put Jacoby back in as a wide out. I think that both Mario and Foster as well as Myers really like it here and are not guys who look to make top dollar, just a fair deal. Considering all the stories we hear about how these players truly like each other, I think there is a good chance they give us discounts and others re-working their contracts to make it all work.
I like my buddy at work but that doesn't mean I am willing to decrease my pay to keep him there. Not everyone is generous about their money.

Moving OD or Casey won't be done, its not what you want but what Gary would do, and that is not his nature. I EXPECT we lose Dreessen this off-season and Casey goes back to being a TE and we keep Vickers as the FB, we play more 2 TE sets but we still need another legit WR.....a rookie is going to cost ROUGHLY 4/7.5 million (Baldwin was drafted last year at pick 26).....so roughly 1.5 this season if structured similar to Baldwins

Plus we need to get a backup qb and Im sure Gary will want more vet. wide outs.....

AND even if you save say a modest 4 million, wont be that much, who do you sign for that money? Myers, Foster or Mario? Doubt any take that little amount
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Not that simple, you would still need to replace them. And a quality WR will cost some good money.
I replace each with a draft pick; much cheaper.
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I like my buddy at work but that doesn't mean I am willing to decrease my pay to keep him there. Not everyone is generous about their money.

Moving OD or Casey won't be done, its not what you want but what Gary would do, and that is not his nature. I EXPECT we lose Dreessen this off-season and Casey goes back to being a TE and we keep Vickers as the FB, we play more 2 TE sets but we still need another legit WR.....a rookie is going to cost ROUGHLY 4/7.5 million (Baldwin was drafted last year at pick 26).....so roughly 1.5 this season if structured similar to Baldwins

Plus we need to get a backup qb and Im sure Gary will want more vet. wide outs.....

AND even if you save say a modest 4 million, wont be that much, who do you sign for that money? Myers, Foster or Mario? Doubt any take that little amount
Ah but you might if all your needs were met and then some with the millions you would make rather than the thousands you now make.
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Ah but you might if all your needs were met and then some with the millions you would make rather than the thousands you now make.

Yea, but millionaires dont live the life of thousandaires.....they have bills based on the MILLIONS they project to make.....for every guy who saved money im willing to bet there are 2 who live based on money not based on needs.....
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I replace each with a draft pick; much cheaper.
I think Gary would prefer a more veteran qb IN CASE something like last season happens again, plus a rookie wr is not NEAR as good as a veteran. For every Julion Jones there is at least 4 Carlos Rogers.....gambling on a rookie to save money would be foolish
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