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Old 01-17-2012   #41
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The hold out from Johnson is the reason he was not as good this year. I think he'll do much better this year.
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Pay Arian his damn money. They have already got him on the cheap for 2 yrs. Franchise Mario making next year a contract year for him.

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someone will pay him if they try to low ball him...I think someone will push the cost on him...I have a feeling with the appeal he has, NY Jets might try to grab him...especially to help out that organization now...but either way, paying him 3.3 wont work...it may be the first offer, but some team will laugh at that, gladly trade away their 1st and 3rd for a decent 20 mil guaranteed...it'll suck for Houston if that happens...
Ben Tate: He's our answer, you can't ignore his 5.4 yard per carry average..

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someone will pay him if they try to low ball him...I think someone will push the cost on him...I have a feeling with the appeal he has, NY Jets might try to grab him...especially to help out that organization now...but either way, paying him 3.3 wont work...it may be the first offer, but some team will laugh at that, gladly trade away their 1st and 3rd for a decent 20 mil guaranteed...it'll suck for Houston if that happens...
They have the right to match the offer or take the draft picks - their choice.
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Arian gets RFA tender of a 1st and 3rd for 3.3 million. Book it. Arian's payday will come in 2013.
I think the recent CBA got rid of the 1st and 3rd option. If you look at Section 2(b) (page 36) a first round pick is as high as it goes.
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Ben Tate with his horrible hands and inability to stay healthy is the answer?!?

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Let me ask you this? How many yards per reception does Tate have? How many fumbles per carries does Tate have? With Arian as our runner, it goes far beyond yards per carry. Arian is also a legitimate receiver off a check down and dangerous playmaker when that pass is made. Tate will never be able to do that with his hands. While Arian fumbled a bit more after we leaned heavily on him and were wearing him down, Tate fumbles the ball with far more frequency when you factor in how many carries he has. Ben is a good back, but he is no Arian Foster. I would never give up Arian for Ben.
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I think the recent CBA got rid of the 1st and 3rd option. If you look at Section 2(b) (page 36) a first round pick is as high as it goes.
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Looks like Arian can be given a 2.611 million offer tendered with a 1st round pick. A single 1st round pick may not be enough to secure him. The Bengals would likely be willing to sign him to a deal and give up their 21st pick. May be forced to lock him up long term afterall...
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Ben Tate with his horrible hands and inability to stay healthy is the answer?!?

Oh geez....
Agreed. Ben Tate is apart of the solution. But definitely not the answer. Last time I checked, you want to retain great players who are great people.
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Looks like Arian can be given a 2.611 million offer tendered with a 1st round pick. A single 1st round pick may not be enough to secure him. The Bengals would likely be willing to sign him to a deal and give up their 21st pick. May be forced to lock him up long term afterall...
But it may allow the Texans to avoid the brain damage associated with negotiating the terms of that long term deal.
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Let me ask you this? How many yards per reception does Tate have? How many fumbles per carries does Tate have? With Arian as our runner, it goes far beyond yards per carry. Arian is also a legitimate receiver off a check down and dangerous playmaker when that pass is made. Tate will never be able to do that with his hands. While Arian fumbled a bit more after we leaned heavily on him and were wearing him down, Tate fumbles the ball with far more frequency when you factor in how many carries he has. Ben is a good back, but he is no Arian Foster. I would never give up Arian for Ben.
I'm not making a case that Ben Tate is as good as Arian, I'm making a case that if Arian decided that he wants to go make 10 million a year elsewhere that Ben Tate is a viable running back for us next year with Ward backing him up.

I just don't see paying Foster 8-10M a year we can't afford to pay everyone that or else we wouldn't have a team.
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hard to fill a roster when paying everyone top dollar. brisiel and myers need some cash also. we seen brisiel miss a few games, what if he and myers leave cause we cant afford them. is the line more important than the rb? arian is great but the guys infront of him play well together. i would put mario behind these three guys but myers and brisiel before arian. the offseason is so much fun
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hard to fill a roster when paying everyone top dollar. brisiel and myers need some cash also. we seen brisiel miss a few games, what if he and myers leave cause we cant afford them. is the line more important than the rb? arian is great but the guys infront of him play well together. i would put mario behind these three guys but myers and brisiel before arian. the offseason is so much fun
Are you kidding me? Look no disrespect whatsoever to the Line, they have done a hell of a job, but this is the same line (mostly) that blocked for Slaton when the Texans were the worst in the league...Again, nothing against the line they are excellent, but with this scheme, just as much as you can call Arian a system player, the line is just the same...dont get me wrong, the replacement of any of the line and even Arian will be a drop off, but your playmaker isnt on the line, its the guy with the ball in his hands...I honestly feel if NEEDED, you could fill a line spot within the draft and be ok, I dont think that there are many Arian Fosters out there...The ZBS (for all the hype about the system) has only produced 2 great backs, Terell Davis and Arian, thats not the system, thats the back!

Again, nothing against the Line or the system, but Arian is a marquee player, check his stats on some of the things he's accomplished, they once said it was the Full Back that made Arian, then it was the system, now its the line and soon it'll be something else, at the end of the day, this kid is a gamechanger, a baller, he has it, whatever it is, he's got it...nothing can replace Arian, not a better line, not a back, he is exactly what he is!
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I'm not making a case that Ben Tate is as good as Arian, I'm making a case that if Arian decided that he wants to go make 10 million a year elsewhere that Ben Tate is a viable running back for us next year with Ward backing him up.

I just don't see paying Foster 8-10M a year we can't afford to pay everyone that or else we wouldn't have a team.
Being simply viable at RB means we are taking a huge step back, which is compounded by the fact that the running game defines our offense. I honestly don't see McNair or Smith letting Foster go and will sign him for a high dollar contract. I expect to see a lot of contract restructuring with our remaining players to try to make it all work. This would be a long shot on any other team, but fortunately for us, this team seems very tightly knit and willing to make sacrifices for the team.

On a more depressing speculative note, I honestly believe it will come down to Foster or Mario for the FO if both are demanding top dollar. If Reed has not done so well, I would have been more inclined to believe Foster would be let go. However, considering the proven effectiveness of a D even without Mario, that only makes signing Foster over Mario much stronger.
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I just don't see paying Foster 8-10M a year we can't afford to pay everyone that or else we wouldn't have a team.
Not everyone else is worth that kind of money.

Foster will get paid.

I doubt McNair wants to make him he highest paid running back in the league, but I'm sure he'll be top 5..... maybe even top 3.

I don't believe Foster wants to be the highest paid running back in the league.... top 3-5 is more likely what he is thinking.
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hard to fill a roster when paying everyone top dollar. brisiel and myers need some cash also. we seen brisiel miss a few games, what if he and myers leave cause we cant afford them. is the line more important than the rb? arian is great but the guys infront of him play well together. i would put mario behind these three guys but myers and brisiel before arian. the offseason is so much fun
Myers is the only guy I'd be interested in bending a little bit to keep. Brisiel... love the guy, but if he thinks he can go elsewhere & be a part of what he's got going on here, he's fooling himself.

He's a starter here, he'll have to fight for that spot elsewhere.
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not to be an ass but is it the system or him? when you say pay him how much? i like foster but what is the price?
it is him... the man has agility vision and big play potential you can't "system" that.
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Ben Tate is a good back but he is not foster pay the man that got you to the playoffs. Personally I think you pay foster and trade Tate for picks.
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not to be an ass but is it the system or him? when you say pay him how much? i like foster but what is the price?
BOTH! The system works with the right fit and he's the right fit.

Now, that said, it wasn't the system that made that spectacular catch the other day. It wasn't the system that embarrassed Michael Griffin in Tennessee on that cut-back. It's not the system that produces his uncanny speed for a bigger guy, etc. etc...

Make him one of the top three paid running backs, excluding Chris Johnson ridiculous deal.
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