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Old 01-15-2012   #21
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Default Re: My only question is....

I don't understand the Hail Mary. We possibly had time for one more play.

That aside, I think TJ forgot today that we had TE's
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Nobody but Foster steped up for us on offense or special teams. We outplayed the Ravens but they made plays when they needed to and we did not. We just blew a chance to go to the superbowl, hope we get another one.
the OL and Andre stepped up as well. Bigtime. Though there were a couple passes Andre should have had, one might have even gone for a TD since he had Suggs on him.
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Default Re: My only question is....

my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.
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my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.
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my best guess is that kubiak felt that this was our best shot at the endzone. with a 4th and short, it pulled the defense into a relatively more realistic coverage - whereas if we convert baltimore puts their hands team on the field to sit in the endzone.
I always say that 4th and short with no timeouts looking for a score is the WORST situation you can get in. They know you are looking to the sideline, and over the middle is literally dead because you'll lose most, if not all, the time.
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He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?
When the defender is camping out all day between AJ and TJ AND TJ still throws it - not sure what you want AJ to do
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He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?
AJ wasn't doubled all day. C'mon man. I typed this in another thread. We wouldn't even move our best corner to matchup against him and we didn't. He was covered by Webb on his side, or Cary Williams on his. Jimmy Smith in the nickel. Ed Reed over the top for support.

You can lay blame for a couple of the INT's on TJ as passes he should have never thrown. 1'st pick against AJ. TJ was throwing to him no matter what and Webb had position on AJ the whole route.

Someone just forgot to tell TJ what every other QB knows...Do NOT throw anywhere near Ed Reed.
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Yates stared quarters that whole play. You can re-watch it a thousand times and there is no argument. You're delusional man.
Why am I delusional? I just said you'll have to ask Yates why he made that play. Why did he throw that when he was clearly covered over the top.
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When the defender is camping out all day between AJ and TJ AND TJ still throws it - not sure what you want AJ to do
Tackle him if he has to. Defensive backs make that play all day without getting a penalty. AJ should take some of the blame today. You guys always wonder why we never throw the ball up for him to out fight the defender and today I think we saw why. That is not one of his strengths, the defenders win to many of those battles.
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wasn't going to matter, Reed and Pollard were playing so deep.....

This game was lost as soon as Jacoby Jones fumbled the ball and gave them 7 points...
Rarely is it that simple, but in this case, it's close to that simple. With a rookie QB playing against one of the toughest defenses in the NFL, the last thing you want to do is spot them an early lead and the momentum. If the team was playing from ahead today, Yates doesn't make a few of those bad throws. Who knows how it would have turned out, obviously, but the single worst play in the game was that early game changer.
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He let at least two int happen right in front of him. It's the freaking playoff's take the guys helment off, kick him in the nuts, whatever you have to do. You have a rookie qb throwing to you, protect him!!!! He did'nt play bad but I would'nt call that steping up. And how do you know he was doubled all day? You get that from watching on the television?
Yeah, he saved two picks when he tackled Ray Lewis on short route and swatted Reed in the head by the end zone in the second half....
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AJ wasn't doubled all day. C'mon man. I typed this in another thread. We wouldn't even move our best corner to matchup against him and we didn't. He was covered by Webb on his side, or Cary Williams on his. Jimmy Smith in the nickel. Ed Reed over the top for support.

You can lay blame for a couple of the INT's on TJ as passes he should have never thrown. 1'st pick against AJ. TJ was throwing to him no matter what and Webb had position on AJ the whole route.

Someone just forgot to tell TJ what every other QB knows...Do NOT throw anywhere near Ed Reed.
You must of misread my post.
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Yeah, he saved two picks when he tackled Ray Lewis on short route and swatted Reed in the head by the end zone in the second half....
Ray dropped that pass before he got to AJ. AJ did make a swipe at is though.
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Default Re: My only question is....

I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.
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I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.
Meh, I guess. Really only a couple guys.
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That ball hit KDub in the shoulder. He should have caught that ball. I dont like or understand the call, but we had an opportunity to tie the game on the final play. It was t right call, Walters just has to make that catch, if it was Jacoby, I understand the hate, but it was our best hands guy & he choked.

This game, play-offs is about stepping up. Everybody is on Jacoby, but he's our 3rd WR. Kdub is #2 & he doesn't compare to other team's #2.

I understand everybody being upset that Jacoby hasn't stepped up & taken that spot. But what about the guy in that spot?
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I hate anybody who tells me "Games arent won or lost in the first quarter." You know what? sometimes they are.

That ****ing BRAINFART put us in the position to have to throw way more than we wanted to. Shifted momentum, gave them FREE 7 points. Pathetic on the offense sans Foster/OL/Andre for their inability to do anything and especially TJ to make throws even rookies shouldn't make.

Changed the entire complexion of the game.

And it chaps my ass. The defense did EVERYTHING. I'm not sure I've ever seen any offensive or defensive unit give it their all like those boys did out there today, and the team WASTED it.
I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.
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I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.
That one play gave the Ravens 7 points directly. TJ Yates did some rookie stupidity, but Jacoby is a ****ing veteran. Changed the entire complexion of the game, and I really don't see how my opinion can be changed on that.
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Default Re: My only question is....

We lost this game because Yates sucked, simple as that. I HATE Jones and he IMO played himself off this roster this year, but Yates lost this game. To go to Baltimore and play like he did and turn the ball over like that means we have ZERO shot at winning.

And the 4th and 2 call, we had 22 seconds left, get the first over the middle and spike it, leaving 12-15 seconds left. Then throw some out routes....get to the 25 or so and then do deep crosses in the endzone, but to just hail mary....WEAK.

Yates proved he is not the future RIGHT NOW. He is not ready to lead this team and he cannot read a defense to save his life. Next year is looking bright if Schaub can come back strong......

Terrible loss today, but hopefully it sticks with the team next year and motivates them to win it all.
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I disagree. If Jacoby's brainfart is the only turnover of the day, we win the game 13-6 or go to overtime 13-13.

Now I'm all for cutting Jacoby and getting an upgrade in his WR/PR role, no question about it; but that one play did not cost us the game.
That play led directly to some of the situational decisions that you'd rather not see made with Yates at QB. The team played from behind all day and that was because of Jacoby Jones. The offense has not been cranking out many points since Schaub went down, and that's without facing one of the toughest defenses in the NFL. When you're facing the Ravens D, you can't spot them a free TD to start the game. Remember, that punt only happened because the Texans D held the Ravens to a 3-and-out to start the game. Between Manning's kick return and the forced punt, the team started off exactly the way you'd want to see against that team. And Jacoby ruined it all in one play. It changed the complexion of the game because it changed the playcalling and took the Texans away from their gameplan.
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