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Old 01-15-2012   #61
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KJ got almost 14 mil over 5 years. With a huge chunk of that at 10 mil gaurunteed. It will cost more to cut him early than to keep him in his rookie contract. This was only year 2 of his contract, 3 more to go, 2 more before you start making decision of whether he stays or goes unless he regresses back to his rookie play level
I'm not hollering to cut him. I was just pointing out the differences in the CBA regarding top 10 picks. KJ was picked 17th or so, so his salary isn't as onerous as a top 10.
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he'd be a decent nickel corner but i'd still look for a true 2nd corner.
Out of the other 31 teams, give me some names of true #2 corner
you will take over KJ. (That goes for everybody who continues to say similarly).

And pray show/tell us about those guys.
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You know where I have traditionally stood on this issue.

Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.

Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).

Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.

If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.

I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.
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you will take over KJ. (That goes for everybody who continues to say similarly).

And pray show/tell us about those guys.
I've always wanted quin to be our #2 corner and look into trying to find another safety through draft or FA or put nolan out there.
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If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.
You're kidding, right? Quin is twice the player that Jackson is.
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Kareem played well he had good coverage just unlucky that flacco made some good throws and the WRs made some amazing catches.

one knock for me on KJ is that he needs to locate the ball earlier. but i think that will come. i have seen enough profession from last year to this year to stick with him for another season or two.
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No wayy. Jackson played good today all the catches on him what were they unbeleivable catches boldin was doing like a 360 tight ropeing catching balls behind his back Cant failt jackson for that that wont happen every gamee
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You know where I have traditionally stood on this issue.

Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.

Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).

Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.

If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.

I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.


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Kareem has gotten progressively better this season. He had good coverage on those long receptions. Sometimes you just can't stop a perfect throw and catch. Next year he will have the benefit of playoff experience. Jacoby Jones has GOT to go! We shouldn't feel too bad. Just think how bad the Packers and Saints fans feel.
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Here's to an open-minded fan.
I tip my hat to you, good Sir!
Don't get too excited. I don't care where you think I stand on it, nor if you're happy with my current upswing in attitude toward him, because it takes one game next season for me to switch party affiliation. Two years is a long time, IMO, and he hit a groove today that I expected him to make in about game 1 of this season.

Look, TODAY was the first game in two years where he looked like he belonged as CB2 out there. Frankly, it is Year 3 where he is going to progress or settle back into mediocrity.

It's up to him, not you and not me. KJ has to decide if he holds himself to the standard of today's play (and builds upon it) or if he settles back into a rut of being outfought and outran and outplayed.
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You know where I have traditionally stood on this issue.

Today, and I will preface it with a very big "IF," but IF Kareem Jackson takes today and builds upon his performance today...IF he reviews film and sees things that I saw in him today, and IF he gets some swagger and goes into camp with the attitude that he SHOULD have....he will be a good one.

Look guys, the Ravens WRs were making CIRCUS CATCHES. You have to give mad respect to them for their ability to make one-hand catches while twisting around to try and beat KJ's defense of them. On one play, KJ deflects the ball but it unluckily bounces into the WR's hands. That's luck (for the WR).

Was today the day it "clicked" for KJ? I mean, where the hell was this sort of play from KJ all year? I have never seen him play THIS well like he did today. He wasn't abused today. He was with his man, in stride, and was creating tough plays for them.

If anything, I think it's time for this team to go after a genuinely talented Safety to pair with Manning. Look, the Demps and the Quins and the bargain basement late-round draft pick guys are OK, but if these two CBs had TWO high-caliber safeties to swarm to their assistance in the right times??? Look out, Jack.

I find zero fault with #25's play today. If anything, he just made that huge leap that we wanted/expected. This is, of course, subject to how he handles his business in the off-season and how he treats his opportunities moving forward here. But in a road game in the playoffs, hostile crowd, pressure-cooker environment, he was pretty good today IMO.

I bumped the thread where I too was hard on him. I give him full credit. He played his butt off today. I have no problem w TODAY'S Jackson. Hopefully the other version is gone now.
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I don't like how I criticize the problems I saw in KJ prior to today's game, but today I come out and say "I saw a lot of GREAT things about KJ today" and suddenly I'm getting Internet high-fives for complimenting him.

I've even received rep from a separate poster for the post where I spoke in glowing terms of Kareem Jackson.

Hows about instead of giving me Internet high-fives, or giving me rep, some of you just choose to NOT berate me and insult my analysis of KJ in the future? That would mean more to me than patting me on my back when I "finally" say good things about him.

IMO, this reveals who has an agenda (as we love to say in this type of topic about KJ) and who is just calling it like they see it. I catch hell from all angles for critiquing KJ and not being soft in my comments, but today I go Dairy Queen soft-serve, which KJ deserves, and now I'm on people's Christmas List again. LOL.

News Flash: I was one of only about 3 posters at the start of this season who thought Jacoby was going to be a huge factor in our season this year...I just never dreamt it would be a NEGATIVE factor. By the Raiders game, I saw that I was wrong in my analysis on him...he needed to go THEN and he needs to go NOW, even more-so.

That's how fast a player's stock can drop in the NFL. And for two years, minus today's playoff game, KJ showed me nothing to get excited about. Today, he showed me a lot...but this season is over, unfortunately, and now he has a long way to go before showing what he can do in Game 1 of the 2012 season.

For all I know, today was a fluke. After all, I saw similar flashes in the pan with Jacoby all his previous seasons here...and we see how THAT turned out.

Not trying to be rude to the few posters who are probably fuming that they paid me compliments and had it turned around on them like I have done here. I'm just saying that a few of you have been very harsh to me and now you're nice as pie. It would be nice to just know where I stand with people, that's all. And that's easy to do with the guys here that I've known on here for the past 10 years. A few of you should know that I call it like I see it. No agendas with GP.
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I know there were definitely 2 or 3 times today while watching the game, that I yelled out, "There you go Kareem!" I felt like a teamate, rooting on a guy that hasn't quite got it, who seems to be getting better. Kareem is not at fault at all for the loss today. Shame on you're inability to properly analyze football.

Jacoby Fumble, 3 Interceptions. THAT is what cost us the game. Get real people. 17 points off of turnovers....SEVENTEEN!!!!!! Take that away and it's 13-3. The 2 touchdowns came on a VERY short field. The Defense played OUTSTANDING today and I was very proud of them. Arian and AJ played very well. Walter, smh, that last pass hit his shoulder, and if he would have turned only slightly more. As it stands though, I think the Pats are going to make the Ravens look like the Broncos. I think the Ravens D is quite a bit over rated...especially going into New England. 35-10 Pats.

Going forward, we definitely need a #2 WR, I think Walter comes back as the #3 and Lestar Jean may also make the team. We need a P/K/R. I'd rather we find someone that specializes in the 2, so that we don't risk injury to Manning. I'd also like some additional CB help. I think Jackson and Allen are better than 60% of your CB's out there...real talk. McCain is a good cover, but as someone stated earlier...too short. We definitely go with a WR first round, unless it's a reach, then we go BPA I think. Last year was all D and I think we're mostly set. We're mostly looking for second teamers this year in the draft, and that is awesome.

Before we all get too excited about free agency, let's remember, we have both Foster and Williams coming up for a contract. I'm hoping Williams won't ask for a whole lot, and Foster doesn't seem like a knuckle head like the dude on the Traitors. I think we bring them back. Our depth was shockingly good this year. What a fight this team put together. I wouldn't mind getting another QB project maybe in a late round, other than that.

What a season! Best one in 10 years...obviously, but we surely weren't the "same ol Texans' Hey, you let those Cowboy fans know that we have as many playoff wins as they do in the last decade...and we did it with our 3rd string rookie. Get off it Dallas, there's a new king in Texas!
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I know there were definitely 2 or 3 times today while watching the game, that I yelled out, "There you go Kareem!" I felt like a teamate, rooting on a guy that hasn't quite got it, who seems to be getting better. Kareem is not at fault at all for the loss today.
I was eerily calm today when I saw a pass thrown to KJ's side. In fact, I fully expected him to be OK when targeted. He really did turn it up a notch today.

I wonder if it just took all the pressure in the world to come down on KJ for him to flip that switch. I know that Saban was NOT enthusiastic about KJ entering the draft a year early. Saban endorsed the other 'Bama guys who declared for that draft, but he went silent when asked about KJ (or had some sort of lack of support for KJ declaring early, due to Saban thinking he wasn't ready).

Maybe Saban knew that KJ needed another year. This would mean that KJ would have had THIS kind of season as a rookie. Maybe KJ truly was not developed enough to handle CB2 duties in the NFL, and for all that we don't like about Saban....he saw it and spoke up about it at the time. Call Saban a royal doosh all you want, but he hit the nail on the head about KJ needing more time at the collegiate level. His rookie year was blood-in-the-water bad. Period.

KJ has to play like this every week now. He has to enter Johnathan Joseph territory and try to be like him. Every week. I think, no...I am HOPING...that KJ made a jump today. He played his butt off.
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I don't like how I criticize the problems I saw in KJ prior to today's game, but today I come out and say "I saw a lot of GREAT things about KJ today" and suddenly I'm getting Internet high-fives for complimenting him.

I've even received rep from a separate poster for the post where I spoke in glowing terms of Kareem Jackson.

Hows about instead of giving me Internet high-fives, or giving me rep, some of you just choose to NOT berate me and insult my analysis of KJ in the future? That would mean more to me than patting me on my back when I "finally" say good things about him.
I think you deserve rep for this post, you're spot on. Except I don't think anyone has berated you or your analysis... We (I) may think you're wrong most of the time, but that's not the same as berating you.

I don't think Kareem did much today, that he hasn't been doing all season. He got his hands on a few more balls, I think because Flacco was trying to force the ball to his best receiver.

Kj covers his receiver, but just like every other game, he has no feel for where the ball is. Yes, Lee Evens made a circus catch. Yes, all the catches on Kj today were made despite good coverage.

That's life in the NFL. He's got to get better & I think he will. This is where he should have been at the end of last season, but the circumstances did not allow it.

Anyway, this is what I've been saying since about week 8 or 9.... balls don't go Kj's way, because his guy is usually "covered"

We play a lot of man coverage, probably more than any other team in the league & we've got the #2 (or #3) pass defense in the league.

Yes, the front 7 has a lot to do with that, but we've also gotten more coverage sacks than ever before.
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I think his ceiling appears to be as a #2 corner. We can sit here and complain that we want him to be a #1 corner, but he as a #2 corner he can still be a part of this D. Somebody has to fill that role and I have no problem with him doing that as long as he makes a few more minor improvements. If we can find somebody better to replace him then great, but #2 CB is not a major need for this team.
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I think you deserve rep for this post, you're spot on. Except I don't think anyone has berated you or your analysis... We (I) may think you're wrong most of the time, but that's not the same as berating you.

I don't think Kareem did much today, that he hasn't been doing all season. He got his hands on a few more balls, I think because Flacco was trying to force the ball to his best receiver.

Kj covers his receiver, but just like every other game, he has no feel for where the ball is. Yes, Lee Evens made a circus catch. Yes, all the catches on Kj today were made despite good coverage.

That's life in the NFL. He's got to get better & I think he will. This is where he should have been at the end of last season, but the circumstances did not allow it.

Anyway, this is what I've been saying since about week 8 or 9.... balls don't go Kj's way, because his guy is usually "covered"

We play a lot of man coverage, probably more than any other team in the league & we've got the #2 (or #3) pass defense in the league.

Yes, the front 7 has a lot to do with that, but we've also gotten more coverage sacks than ever before.
You never dogged me this season, TK. Yeah, you and I have some good back and forths where we might push the limit...but we still hug and shake hands at the end of the day. The old wolf and sheep dog act from the cartoons, and all that jazz.

I'd like to say more, but I want to stay above the fray and stuff. I made my point to the ones who dogged me all year and now today are repping me for being positive about their guy.
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Seriously? What game were you watching? I saw a new and improved KJ that i havent seen all year. He ran with his receviers and looked back to find the ball to bat it away. The receivers just hads some super glue on thier gloves. KJ did his job, if he can play like that always, we'll be good.
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I am going to go on record here and just say "I'm sorry" for posting my frustrations out loud instead of perhaps Private Messaging people to discuss my problems with them. My bad, sincerely.

No moderator asked me to do this, I just love this place (and the people here!) so much that I don't ever want to do anything to get banned. This place is where my friends live.

To 76 and BuddyBoy, I apologize. I cannot see inside your head and rightfully judge why you say, or do, or think what you think (whether it has to do with what you think or what you think of what I think). And I think, LOL, I am guilty of having internalized a lot of this stuff to the point that it made me mad.

And so a public transgression deserves a public apology.

Kareem played his butt off today. Enuff said.
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I am going to go on record here and just say "I'm sorry" for posting my frustrations out loud instead of perhaps Private Messaging people to discuss my problems with them. My bad, sincerely.

No moderator asked me to do this, I just love this place (and the people here!) so much that I don't ever want to do anything to get banned. This place is where my friends live.

To 76 and BuddyBoy, I apologize. I cannot see inside your head and rightfully judge why you say, or do, or think what you think (whether it has to do with what you think or what you think of what I think). And I think, LOL, I am guilty of having internalized a lot of this stuff to the point that it made me mad.

And so a public transgression deserves a public apology.

Kareem played his butt off today. Enuff said.
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