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Old 12-22-2011   #1
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Default Here's the reality of the situation (It ain't pretty)

We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.
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I want to see what happens if Andre comes back, but yeah as of today as constituted nothings gonna happen.

This is why I prefer a superstar offense over a great defense. A great defense is great but doesn't mean a lick of a shit if you can't score points to win. **** that style of play. **** the Jets.
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Default Re: Here's the reality of the situation (It ain't pretty)

Right. Like how come TJ Yates only threw 16 passes this game?

Hell, even throwing the ball to Foster 20 times would have reaped better rewards!

How about James Casey as a receiver

If JJ and KW are not getting it done, let's at least pretend we have more weapons on the team.

Even those silly passes to Vickers would have looked clever tonight.

Kubiak has lied. Gary has said he wasn't dialing the playbook back, but when your QB only throws 16 passes in a game, hang it up boys, we're going home with a great big L on our foreheads.

This is reality: The Texans, in their first playoff birth, have broken another NFL record, in reverse: The Texans became the only 10 win team to ever lose to a 1 win team.

Reality.
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Oh get outta here. Yates passes more against the porous run defense of the Colts and everyone will be calling for everyone's head. Don't you remember what happened last year against Indy when the running game wasn't used?

Can't throw the ball when you don't have Andre to throw to. His presence spaces everyone out and yes, even makes those dumpoff plays to Tate and Foster more effective.
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Play calling was very carr era type of playcalling
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Default Re: Here's the reality of the situation (It ain't pretty)

Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?

What's the most important thing right now?
  1. Winning the Super Bowl?
  2. screwing the Colts from drafting Luck?
  3. something other than winning the Super Bowl?

These games are meaningless. How often have you guys told me that?

How many of you thought/think we are going to win the Super Bowl with a rookie QB?

We're in the play-offs, the goal now is to win the Super Bowl. Anything lower is loser mentality, anything less is quiting.

The run game has got to be strong. The defense has got to be stronger if we are going to have a chance. & that doesn't change by putting Delhomme or Garcia in the game.

The best chance we've got is to send Tj out there with the same game plan we ran since Jacksonville@Reliant. Get the ball to Arian, rely on the defense, hope Aj comes back healthy.

I think Tj will stretch the field more consistently in the future....

these are just growing pains.
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Oh get outta here. Yates passes more against the porous run defense of the Colts and everyone will be calling for everyone's head. Don't you remember what happened last year against Indy when the running game wasn't used?

Can't throw the ball when you don't have Andre to throw to. His presence spaces everyone out and yes, even makes those dumpoff plays to Tate and Foster more effective.
yeah but wasnt that a manning led offense that could easily score, different team all together here, there defense is made to protect leads, you have to throw the ball more than 16 times most generally to get a good lead in this league.
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Default Re: Here's the reality of the situation (It ain't pretty)

I think a lot of people are forgetting that we also beat ATL and Cincy with Yates at QB.

Take things a week at a time folks. Lets look at the Titans, if we get Wade calling the game back that could be enough to win that game and see where we go from there.

I sure ain't scared of the Jets (which is looking like a likely opponent) or the Bengals in the first round. Especially at home (which we still have) so saying we can't win a playoff game is bit too premature right now.

Although I agree that Schaub going down ended any chance at a SB run, as well as Mario going down. But this team has fought all year and to give up on them now? Nah, can't do that. They hit a bump in a road, they still have a lot of fight left in them.
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Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?
No, one game isn't going to undo the last 5 years and 2 games (without Wade) of suckitude. Besides Wade will probably be back and if that happens you know who should get the credit.
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Kubiak called a great game and for the most part the refs called a great game. They lost because the players didn't execute. Superbowl bound!

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The reality is that when you get sacked 25% of the time, it's hard to do your job as a QB.
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we need 4 duane browns on the o-line...
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that may all be true but we cant give up ..... LOL at least in the playoff game ...... wk 16 i think we should shut it down
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yeah but wasnt that a manning led offense that could easily score, different team all together here, there defense is made to protect leads, you have to throw the ball more than 16 times most generally to get a good lead in this league.
80 yards, no timeouts, less than 2 minutes in the game.

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Kubiak called a great game and for the most part the refs called a great game. They lost because the players didn't execute. Superbowl bound!

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playcalling was pretty vanilla from what I could tell from my phone at work. I think that was by design. That said we shoulda served Indy vanilla Icecream and made them like it. we didn't... I hope we are able to get. Aj back and see what this kid has got at qb. I don't think it is the end of the world but we must win next week to get a little momentum going.
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Tellin' y'all man...this is the post-winning streak blues.

(let me clarify by saying this is not an excuse, just something I've noticed in sports)

What I mean is...you dominate for games at a time. Then you start winning CLOSE, which basically shows your luck is SLOWLY running out. After that, you start escaping late in games. After that, here come the let downs. You lose games that, going in you think, "Oh hell yeah, this is OURS!" and you get slapped around a bit.

Are they going to fix things? I don't know. I don't think the D is our issue. Texans were doomed by some awful flags and some dumb luck. All I know is, after winning streaks end, you try hard to get that edge back and it's tough to regain.

This season = the Rockets 22 game win streak. Remember how the Rockets were kicking teams in the face night after night? Then those games, regardless of competition, got closer and closer? Then Boston came here and slapped our MASH unit in the face? Couldn't get that edge back after that 1st loss in 23 games.
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Then can we all agree if we win a play-off game, then Kubiak is a hell of a coach?

What's the most important thing right now?
  1. Winning the Super Bowl?
  2. screwing the Colts from drafting Luck?
  3. something other than winning the Super Bowl?

These games are meaningless. How often have you guys told me that?

How many of you thought/think we are going to win the Super Bowl with a rookie QB?

We're in the play-offs, the goal now is to win the Super Bowl. Anything lower is loser mentality, anything less is quiting.

The run game has got to be strong. The defense has got to be stronger if we are going to have a chance. & that doesn't change by putting Delhomme or Garcia in the game.

The best chance we've got is to send Tj out there with the same game plan we ran since Jacksonville@Reliant. Get the ball to Arian, rely on the defense, hope Aj comes back healthy.

I think Tj will stretch the field more consistently in the future....

these are just growing pains.
I agree and it also points out what I complained about in the off season. The lack of a true #2 wr. People laughed when I mentioned moss or edwards. They bought intothe systemic manipulation of avg talented guys at the skill position. When foster has the highest yard per catch and most yds, despite missing 3 games says a lot about the receivers on this roster. They have no one aside from andre who can win without playaction to suck the lbs in. Even if you don't think moss can run or a healthy edwards may drop a pass, you still treat those guys different. They have shown in recent years that they can score td in the red zone and beat #1 wrs.
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We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.
my.... that's rather depressing.

the really depressing part is I don't have a counter argument. Guess I'll have to turn in my Sunshine Club membership card....

I guess the good news is all those "TJ will lead us to the Super Bowl" and "TJ will take Schaub's job" posts will stop now.
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We're looking at 10-6

You gotta know that if we can't beat the Colts with Dan Orlovsky at QB then we're not going to be able to beat Tennessee next week. What's worse is we're not going to win a playoff game either.

It's been fun pretending for the last four weeks that we were going to be fine but the truth is that the moment Schaub went down any chance that we were going to remain effective on offense went out the window. Leinart was the slim hope that a miracle might happen but once he went down too even that was out of the question.

AJ going down with the second hamstring was like the exclamation point on the end of that.

Brisiel getting hurt was the "WHAT PART OF SHOW'S OVER DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?" that followed the exclamation point.

Yates isn't ready and may never be. Kubiak doesn't trust him and probably wouldn't be ready to give him any real latitude with the offense in three years much less three weeks. Delhomme and Garcia don't know the offense well enough and Kubiak won't trust them either. In short we don't have a QB.

At WR we've got nobody after Andre Johnson. OK, so Kevin Walter actually belongs on an NFL roster but past him they're all camp scrubs. None of them can get open regularly and Jacoby is ****ing useless. Even if we did have a QB we don't have a credible receiving threat.

No, Owen Daniels isn't a credible receiving threat. At least not one that's difficult to defense.

Our vaunted offensive line is thin. Even our starters are kind of overrated. When Brisiel went down we all secretly hoped that it was an opportunity for Caldwell to get a shot and prove what a steal he was. That didn't happen. He's pathetic and if he's an example of the depth we have on the line we got another need position come draft time.

Frankly once you take away our QB, our All Pro WR, Mario, and Wade Phillips we aren't even as good as the 6-10 2010 Texans.

This season was progress and it was fun but it's over now and reality has reasserted itself. We're getting run by losing teams and going to back into the playoffs. Maybe we won't slide back to 6-10 or 7-9 again next year. Maybe we'll get these players back and take another step forward. One things certain though. As we are today we're done.
I can't say I disagree with you on most, if not all of these points. I wonder though, what team would still be competitive if they three of their most important players, and easily their most important coach?

I'd say Andre is the most important player on offense, with Schaub being number two. Even though he's probably just an above average QB, his presence alone obviously makes our offense go. Mario on defense hasn't been the hit some of us expected, but he's still an elite class player. And Wade has easily been our most important coach this year.

So, take the Packers. Take out Clay Matthews and Rogers. And McCarthy. I won't even factor in the third player. Take the Pats and take out Brady, Gronkowski, and Belichick. I think this is the reality of our injuries coming down on us full force after allowing us to live a few games in dreamland.
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