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Old 01-04-2012   #41
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To be clear, HLSR paid for the retractable roof, not the Texans. Original designs of the stadium were to be open air.
Duly noted.

The point was... it's paid for. It's there. Use it for a change. Especially considering the weather. It has been A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!

Open or closed... we still have the home field.
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Duly noted.

The point was... it's paid for. It's there. Use it for a change. Especially considering the weather. It has been A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!

Open or closed... we still have the home field.
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Wow!! Just WOW!! INSANE that any TRUE fan, OF ANY TEAM, would want to play nice and take away any advantage their team EARNED by playing at home!!! Speechless!!

As for the roof! I've been preaching my sermon for 10yrs now. Reliant is NOT an open venue stadium!! It is simply a dome stadium with a hole in the roof!! It serves NO purpose whatsoever!!!! JMO!! When it rains and the roof is closed, it LEAKS like crazy. When it's hot and the sun shines in, it makes fans run to the concourse or the club sections because the seats are to hot to touch!! DECREASE in crowd noise when that happens!!! BUT, to some posters in this thread that's ok!
So... basically you're saying... I am not a true fan because crowd noise isn't something that I can relate to? Thanks for the vote of confidence in my fanhood.
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This just in... Very little noise escapes when the roof is open. The opening is about the size of the field itself so basically all of the noise is essentially trapped anyway. It's not the same as Minute Maid Park. There, there's a huge difference with the roof being opened or closed.
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So... basically you're saying... I am not a true fan because crowd noise isn't something that I can relate to? Thanks for the vote of confidence in my fanhood.
LOL, just because you can't hear it doesn't mean you can't relate to it as a potential factor in the game...

Besides, she didn't say anything about fans being able to relate to it. She said that she can't believe fans would want to take away a potential advantage.
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LOL, just because you can't hear it doesn't mean you can't relate to it as a potential factor in the game...

Besides, she didn't say anything about fans being able to relate to it. She said that she can't believe fans would want to take away a potential advantage.
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I guess that makes you a true domer GP. If the Texans can't beat the Bengals because the roof is open then they have a hell of alot more problems than crowd noise. And this comment comes from someone that was at the Atlanta game. Grow some balls and play like you want it or stay home with the closed roof and roast some marshmellows. Do you think the teams that will eventually make the superbowl care if a roof is opened or closed? It really makes the Texans sound like a bunch of wimps.
Superdome in New Orleans. Saints won the Super Bowl. Dome teams CAN win it all, ya' know.

I don't know if I am a domed or not. I just know that what we have is what we have...so why not leave the roof closed and retain as much noise as we can???

Simple acoustics dictate that sound either escapes or is reflected/bounced. Even if the gain in decibels is only minor, I want every drop of fan noise in Reliant utilized to help us this Saturday.

After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
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Superdome in New Orleans. Saints won the Super Bowl. Dome teams CAN win it all, ya' know.

I don't know if I am a domed or not. I just know that what we have is what we have...so why not leave the roof closed and retain as much noise as we can???

Simple acoustics dictate that sound either escapes or is reflected/bounced. Even if the gain in decibels is only minor, I want every drop of fan noise in Reliant utilized to help us this Saturday.

After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
I agree with you, but now I'm wondering exactly how much difference in decibels there would be with roof open vs roof closed, just out of curiosity.
I wonder if there is any information online about it, but I'm supposed to be working right now, so don't have time to research it.

IIRC, the human ear can only perceive a difference of approximately +/- 3 decibels.
In home/car audio, it takes either a doubling of amplification power, or a doubling of speaker cone area to increase sound pressure by +3db.
That's not particularly relevant to the subject of crowd noise, except as a reference as to how much increased output it takes to make a difference great enough for the human ear to perceive it.


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Interesting story about the crowd noise at Quest Field in Seattle, for those who don't think crowd noise is a factor:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/outd...crowd#fbIndex3

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After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
Amen!

Our guys sure liked it vs. Atlanta, and Atlanta's offense had problems because of the noise, so why wouldn't we want as much noise as possible?

Other teams are at an advantage no matter where we play, we're on our 3rd string QB, so i don't feel sorry one bit for making it even louder by keeping the roof closed... Besides, the roof being open makes watching the game on TV a litte harder with one side lit up and the other not lit up, and it doesn't make it any easier on our receivers transitioning from one shade to the other with the ball in flight...
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Superdome in New Orleans. Saints won the Super Bowl. Dome teams CAN win it all, ya' know.

I don't know if I am a domed or not. I just know that what we have is what we have...so why not leave the roof closed and retain as much noise as we can???

Simple acoustics dictate that sound either escapes or is reflected/bounced. Even if the gain in decibels is only minor, I want every drop of fan noise in Reliant utilized to help us this Saturday.

After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
You'd be surprised. In a lot of scenarios a partially vented acoustic enclosure (think reliant with it's small roof open) will increase in acoustic energy/SPL. Think of pressing a glass against your face and yelling. There's only so much springboard effect that the sound pressure in a sealed environment can achieve.

I still want it closed though
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Smiley icon! I swear I clicked the smiley face icon. I was just joking on Gma.

You better be joking my friend!! I might have to head to Pflugersville (sp) and hunt ya down!!
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Homefield advantage should entail the ability to play in front of your fan base and not have to travel. It shouldn't go so far as preventing the other team from fully functioning. Of course others will disagree, but if we attempt to close the roof in great weather simply to create a severe disadvantage to the opponent then I hope the NFL does intervene.

A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
Uhm, yes it should...at least if your fans are awake. It's true even moreso at college venues that seat more. Homefield advantage extends far beyond sleeping in your own bed. As this applies to all teams evenly, I don't see the issue. Unlike MLB, the NFL understands crowd noise and its effects, as nothing prevents handsignals and audibles, there's little issue as long as the sound is created naturally. (See Colts piped-in sound)


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I guess that makes you a true domer GP. If the Texans can't beat the Bengals because the roof is open then they have a hell of alot more problems than crowd noise. And this comment comes from someone that was at the Atlanta game. Grow some balls and play like you want it or stay home with the closed roof and roast some marshmellows. Do you think the teams that will eventually make the superbowl care if a roof is opened or closed? It really makes the Texans sound like a bunch of wimps.
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You better be joking my friend!! I might have to head to Pflugersville (sp) and hunt ya down!!
You and I both understand each other's passion for the team and most here know I like to poke fun at my hearing. No need to hunt me down because you're always welcome here.

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Homefield advantage should entail the ability to play in front of your fan base and not have to travel. It shouldn't go so far as preventing the other team from fully functioning. Of course others will disagree, but if we attempt to close the roof in great weather simply to create a severe disadvantage to the opponent then I hope the NFL does intervene.

A roof should be an option employed to avoid having both teams play in exceptionally poor weather conditions, not as a weapon that the home team elects to employ to further amplify fan noise against an opponent.
the crowd is part of the home field whether or not you feel it should be.... the roof helps the crowd so it should be closed for the game....
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This just in... Very little noise escapes when the roof is open. The opening is about the size of the field itself so basically all of the noise is essentially trapped anyway. It's not the same as Minute Maid Park. There, there's a huge difference with the roof being opened or closed.
Now we're talking. Kick it up a notch. What we have here is a roof truther. Say that three times fast.
Seriously, can you prove it? Approximately 70% of everything claimed as fact is a made up on the internet. Ok, I just made that up.

Here's the truth. The truth is the Texans better have their stuff packed tight on the corners because you have to believe Cincy is going to throw a bunch of timed sideline stuff. Throw it up before the heat gets there and let the taller faster receiver run and get it or let the ref call interference. That's my number one fear for this game. It's also the way to beat the noise. Big plays shut up a crowd of rabid fans. If our secondary doesn't come to play or if the refs call it super tight, we are in big trouble, roof or no roof.
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Considering the cold temperatures, many thought the Bengals might practice at the University of Cincinnati's indoor facility, especially with the roof expected to be closed at Reliant Stadium. Instead, they stayed outdoors at Paul Brown Stadium, where the wind chill on Wednesday was a balmy 22 degrees. Two years ago, when the team was preparing for its playoff game against the Jets, they practiced for two days at Wall to Wall in Mason. Temperatures were a bit colder then. Still, the cold temps of the past couple days did elicit some reactions from players. Wide receiver A.J. Green said this was the coldest weather he has practiced in by far.
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Superdome in New Orleans. Saints won the Super Bowl. Dome teams CAN win it all, ya' know.

I don't know if I am a domed or not. I just know that what we have is what we have...so why not leave the roof closed and retain as much noise as we can???

Simple acoustics dictate that sound either escapes or is reflected/bounced. Even if the gain in decibels is only minor, I want every drop of fan noise in Reliant utilized to help us this Saturday.

After that, when/if we play on the road, then we have one less advantage to use for us. But why not utilize everything that's at our disposal to get the maximum amount of sound reflection that we can?

It doesn't make us a wussy to do so. It makes us smart, IMO.
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I agree with you, but now I'm wondering exactly how much difference in decibels there would be with roof open vs roof closed, just out of curiosity.
I wonder if there is any information online about it, but I'm supposed to be working right now, so don't have time to research it.

IIRC, the human ear can only perceive a difference of approximately +/- 3 decibels.
In home/car audio, it takes either a doubling of amplification power, or a doubling of speaker cone area to increase sound pressure by +3db.
That's not particularly relevant to the subject of crowd noise, except as a reference as to how much increased output it takes to make a difference great enough for the human ear to perceive it.


Sorry to go so far OT.
Don't worry. Even if the roof is open, the Texans FO will use piped in fan noise through powerful directional loud speakers...........converging on the Bengals O until...........


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