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Old 01-03-2012   #1
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Default How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?

Seriously, that's the missing link. Huge WR#2 that would make us the most explosive offense in the NFL. Make it happen Rick!
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Default Re: How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?

Would be nice. But he is wr #1material. He needs lots of looks, not gonna share with aj
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Would be nice. But he is wr #1material. He needs lots of looks, not gonna share with aj
Well projected is Kendall Wright to be available for us. He's too short to make it work, I'm a hater I know. Why can't we have multiple 1000 yard receivers with Arian Foster making life difficult to cover us in any aspect? Honestly I'd take this year's defense with AJ #1 Blackmon #2, and giving up a slew of draft picks. We'd be an unreal offense. Shit, make it happen Rick! We're lacking a #2 WR, second solid CB and backup interior lineman to be a superbowl winner.
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No one capable of stepping up behind AJ was a real problem this year. WR2 needs to be addressed. If you think about it there's not a single defensive need this off-season. Not really. If nothing changed on that side of the ball we'd be more than good-to-go. We need a WR2, a RT... hell just some legitimate line depth anywhere we can find it, and then we can look at other places we could use depth. It's time to put a few early picks on the offensive side of the ball.

A potential WR1 can come in and play second fiddle to Andre Johnson for a few years. AJ just finished his 9th season and time catches everybody. If we draft someone now we'll be transitioning like the Colts did between Harrison and Wayne.
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Would be nice. But he is wr #1material. He needs lots of looks, not gonna share with aj
??? Sharing the football and looks has nothing to do with it. In today's league there is PLENTY of passes to go around. They don't have a problem in Dallas, don't have a problem in NOLA, don't have a problem in Atlanta..don't have a problem in GB. Torry Holt was a #1 WR and they had not problem sharing the ball in St. Louis...same with Boldin and Fitz in Arizona. Tate and Foster are both #1 backs and they have no problem sharing the ball.

The only position on the field that "sharing" comes into play is the QB position.

What's going to prevent this from happening is he simply won't be available for us to draft, but if he was..nobody would worry about sharing or touches...that wouldn't even factor into the situation.
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I've had this scenario figured out since Schaub got hurt.

We count on developing Yates, and trade Schaub to Washington for their #1 and #2. They would pay that premium because they need him running their offense that badly, and Kyle Shanahan has proven to work well with him. The Shanahans also might be fighting for their jobs.

With those picks, Rick Smith trades up to get Blackmon ahead of the Browns.
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I've had this scenario figured out since Schaub got hurt.

We count on developing Yates, and trade Schaub to Washington for their #1 and #2. They would pay that premium because they need him running their offense that badly, and Kyle Shanahan has proven to work well with him. The Shanahans also might be fighting for their jobs.

With those picks, Rick Smith trades up to get Blackmon ahead of the Browns.
Not sure that I'd trade Schaub to trade up for Blackmon. This team is a contender going into next season with Schaub at QB. He's much more valuable to us than Blackmon.
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No one capable of stepping up behind AJ was a real problem this year. WR2 needs to be addressed. If you think about it there's not a single defensive need this off-season. Not really. If nothing changed on that side of the ball we'd be more than good-to-go. We need a WR2, a RT... hell just some legitimate line depth anywhere we can find it, and then we can look at other places we could use depth. It's time to put a few early picks on the offensive side of the ball.

A potential WR1 can come in and play second fiddle to Andre Johnson for a few years. AJ just finished his 9th season and time catches everybody. If we draft someone now we'll be transitioning like the Colts did between Harrison and Wayne.
We do have needs on defense.

We could get better up front in the middle, we could upgrade at S, and at CB.

I have no problem upgrading at the WR position and it needs to happen, but it would be much easier to do that in free agency as their will be a ton of nice options there where guys could come in immediately and produce as oppose to rolling the dice on a rookie for a team that is ready to contend.

I'd rather the Texans continue to roll the tide on their defense though, and keep building to make it not just a great defense for one season or two, but for an entire decade.
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We do have needs on defense.

We could get better up front in the middle, we could upgrade at S, and at CB.

I have no problem upgrading at the WR position and it needs to happen, but it would be much easier to do that in free agency as their will be a ton of nice options there where guys could come in immediately and produce as oppose to rolling the dice on a rookie for a team that is ready to contend.

I'd rather the Texans continue to roll the tide on their defense though, and keep building to make it not just a great defense for one season or two, but for an entire decade.
There are going to be some pretty good free agent WRs. Robert Meacham, Jerome Simpson, and Pierre Garcon are players who probably won't get paid #1 money and would be a good compliment to AJ.
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This guy is likely going in the top five picks. The Texans are not going to get him. It would be nice though.
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This guy is likely going in the top five picks. The Texans are not going to get him. It would be nice though.
Understood. Thus the question "How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?"

Figure something out, what do you armchair GM's think?
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Understood. Thus the question "How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?"

Figure something out, what do you armchair GM's think?
The Texans need to cross Blackmon off the list and see what other top rated receivers might be available later in the first round.

They are not going to be able to get Andrew Luck or Robert Griffen, III, either, by the way.
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Default Re: How the hell do we get Justin Blackmon?

I believe in this upcoming draft there will be some very good WRs in the 2nd and 3rd round.

I believe our needs are
WR#2, OL (interior...Briesel being gone/Rashad Butler will be back),
DT (Cody did good but if we can get the space eater it makes our defense more versatile)
CB (you can't have enough)
QB (I'm not sold on Yates as the future and Schaub - we still don't know what his status will be going into next season and he's running out of time very soon.)
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Not very likely , hell there is the possibility he could go #1 overall to the Dolts ..... if Manning is healthy (call me crazy but it could happen).

Would he get past ST at #2?


I cant imagine a single team in the top five spots that wouldnt at least consider taking him.

The only way the Texans have a shot is Yates taking them on a deep run in the playoffs and maybe sending him to one of those early QB hungry teams - for that to happen he has to fall at least to the #3 pick. (and the Texans would likely have to add considerably more than just Yates even under the best circumstances.)
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All it takes is Mario Williams to Panthers for a 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd and 4th next year to get him. Id rather have 2 Ajs on each side than Mario on the outside. Brooks can makes the defense not better but more versatile. I think the gains out way the losses.
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All it takes is Mario Williams to Panthers for a 1st and 3rd this year and a 2nd and 4th next year to get him. Id rather have 2 Ajs on each side than Mario on the outside. Brooks can makes the defense not better but more versatile. I think the gains out way the losses.
We'd have to sign Mario first right?
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We'd have to sign Mario first right?

Yeah but we can franchise then trade away like the Chiefs did with Allen.
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Yeah but we can franchise then trade away like the Chiefs did with Allen.
And you tink you can trade him with a cap hit of $23m ? Not going to happen.
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Atlanta move up 21 spots to grab Julio Jones. Picking 27th overall to #6 overall.

They did it by trading their 2011 1st, 2nd & fourth followed by this years (2012) 1st & 4th. So Rick Smith would have to make an offer similar to this in order to trade up far enough to get Blackmon.

Houston is selecting around 24th assuming they beat Cincinnati then lose to Baltimore. Both Cleveland 4th or Tampa 5th could select him or accept package deal.
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And you tink you can trade him with a cap hit of $23m ? Not going to happen.
It's almost definite that anybody trading for Mario under this scenario would have a long-term deal in place that would bring the cap hit far under that number. Allen had agreed to a six year deal with the Vikings before the trade was finalized (otherwise, the Vikings wouldn't have done it). The Pats traded Matt Cassel to the Chiefs after he'd signed the franchise tender, and while a LT deal wasn't in place when the trade was done, it was in place prior to the '09 season, so the franchise amount never hit the Chiefs cap. Because of the guaranteed amount the franchise tag would generate, the idea of trading without a LT deal agreed to (in principle) ahead of time is probably unlikely to put it mildly.

I believe the question is actually two-fold. First, is this a direction the Texans would consider going in the first place, and second, is there a team out there willing to trade away enough to satisfy the Texans on top of what they'd have to pay out to Mario in the form of guaranteed cash in order to reach that LT deal. The Texans would either have to be extremely confident that a trade could be done, or willing to accept the cap consequences of not being able to find a trade partner.
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