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Old 12-23-2011   #41
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Look folks, we aren't going very deep in the playoffs anyway considering all that's happened with the injuries. I would rather keep TJ in, if for nothing else than he needs the practice. With the point production down by 10 points a game since Schaub has left, and AJ questionable and a weak WR core, we might not even beat the Titans.

But it's not time for Delhomme. He won't be here next year, or Garcia either. If Schaub does not return, it'll be either Hot Tub or Yates or someone else, but it won't be Delhomme or Garica. Might as well give the playing time to someone who will be here next year.
I can't accept that. You don't use the playoffs to give playing time for the sake of who may or may not be here next year. I deserve nothing less than an all out effort to get to the superbowl. You may be right, in that we don't appear to be team that will go deep in the playoffs, however, there is a saying I have for golf when my buds are debating the pending weather forecast in terms of the likeliness of rain: "Don't let it scare you off the course, make it rain you off the course". Doesn't always translate to a round of golf, but I will say I've played more than couple of rounds where the weather held up for me, while my buds were at home.

I fully anticipate Houston getting rained out, but certainly go with which QB gives you the best chance.

Which QB gives us our best playoff chances? I don't know if the answer it Delhomme, Garcia or Yates. Never seeing the Jake or Jeff I'd like in years, and the fact TJ is still out on the field.. I would imagine it's TJ.

I miss Schaub :-(
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i've got no problem blaming yates. a 5 yard completion looks great when the stat line doesnt take into account it being 3rd and 8. and this blame conservative kubiak stuff is nonsense. foster's averaging 10 yards a pop but tate is having a terrible game ... your QB needs to convert some of these 3rd downs if the offense is going to have a chance and to give foster more carries and find the endzone.

our offense is obviously a qb friendly system. the receivers and blocking have a simple execution setup, it's up to the quarterback to know without looking where the receivers are and identify the coverage. yates isnt there yet. he's still trying to find his receivers and isnt seeing the coverage nor feeling the pocket.

i'll start with the pocket. he has great movement within it ... when he's taking a 7 step play-action. he two-steps a 3 step drop (2 sacks being a jersey grab because he shorted his quick drop) and slides on a 5. footwork in general needs a lot of work. his plant is either early or late and he isnt in rhythm very often.

coverage is the real issue though ... he doesnt see it. we run mostly vertical and split progressions. yates isnt just staring down his primary, he's attempting to locate it. to speed things up kubiak is trying to give him easier first reads which yates is keying on and just not quick enough yet to locate others. this is why schaub can noodle arm and slowest bootleg ever to 4000 yards ... he knows the system and can A-B-C-dump with his eyes closed. yates needs more practice time throwing to a spot while identifying coverage.

i think yates is going to be pretty good for the texans, that opinion hasnt changed, but he's not ready unless we want to make a reckless gunslinger out of him (which would be an upgrade). if we're going to go with a game manager, someone who knows the game and can get us wins in the playoffs, i'd much rather see garcia or delhomme.

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Repped!!! I think we all know Yates needs experience. He's behind the curve with a shortened camp and he was the 3rd or 4th string when camp started til Dan O left. I think we have been caught up as fans b/c we've made the playoffs, won the division and justifiably wanting much more. In reality Yates needs way more time to run this offense. I do believe Kubiak dials down the offense later in the games if he sees us struggling...its not about stats as some of us think, its based on the how the offense is playing and the game is flowing. I think after the season is done, Yates gives us a reason to dump Leinart but I don't think he will be the eventual replacement for Schaub. But if he becomes that then so be it.
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Yates looked like a rookie, third string, fifth round QB last night, and the Panthers game. He started off great, but I think he's lost his mojo.
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I cannot expect Delhomme to make a difference. We are in a bad spot right now, but let's not forget that we are a 10 win team heading toward a home game in the playoffs. We have time to get players healthy, watch tape and work on timing.

I have waited too long for a playoff game to ***** and moan about a team that has been winning with duct tape.
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Look folks, we aren't going very deep in the playoffs anyway considering all that's happened with the injuries. I would rather keep TJ in, if for nothing else than he needs the practice. With the point production down by 10 points a game since Schaub has left, and AJ questionable and a weak WR core, we might not even beat the Titans.

But it's not time for Delhomme. He won't be here next year, or Garcia either. If Schaub does not return, it'll be either Hot Tub or Yates or someone else, but it won't be Delhomme or Garica. Might as well give the playing time to someone who will be here next year.


This.^^^

We need to find out what we have with Yates.

I would like to see Kubiak put Yates to the test during the Titans game.

Air it out, use his legs.

I'm not expecting a playoff run, too many pieces missing.

If it doesn't look promising with Yates it should affect next years draft.

We have plugged in D players and been successful.

No plug in players for QB WR OL. Punter would be nice also.


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Boy, all of these guys that thought our 5th round rookie that could take us deep into the playoffs sure did jump off that bandwagon quick. Lol!

I said this from the jump when Yates came in. He's a rookie, and for people to have thought some rookie who just thrown into the fire was going to go in there and take this team deep were kidding themselves.

Unfortunately we're seeing the same Kubiak I remember in his first two seasons when he would give games away and wouldn't even try to be competitive even when he had nothing to lose. The Texans aren't going to do jack in the post season when Kubiak coaches this way. I thought he got over that. Apparently not. That was a disgrace to lose that game last night.
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I used to be a great wide receiver like Andre Johnson, then I took an arrow to the knee.. Then in rehab someone stole my sweetroll..
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3rd down efficiency was terrible. Yates may be the future but right now he's not getting it done. Thanks for the comeback win for the division but I think it's time we gave Jake some playing time.
Careful what you ask for....even though I do agree with you that Yates seems to be overwhelmed and anxious at times.
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Yates looked like a rookie, third string, fifth round QB last night, and the Panthers game. He started off great, but I think he's lost his mojo.
I think Yates and the Texans may need to stop listening to 610 and stop reading the Houston Chronicle..lol
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Bringing in Delhomme isn't going to solve anything (did anybody watch the Browns play last season?). Yates wasn't even the problem last night, the head coach was. The problem is we have a sissy head coach who coaches scared. He's too scared to even watch his team kick field goals and he's too scared to take chances when we're playing against other sub par teams.

When we played against Atlanta and Cincy, he knew Yates had to make plays and he called plays to allow him to. When we played against the Jags, Carolina, and now Indy...the coward thought he could just cruise to a win with good defense and he slapped the cuffs on. He's a coward and I'm sorry, but there's nothing that Delhomme could've done to make any difference last night.

Gary Kubiak needs to pull his head out of his ass and without his security blanket (Wade Phillips) we look just as incompetent as last season so who really is the HC here? As far as I'm concerned if Wade Phillips wants a HCing job...he can have one, it just needs to be here. Hell I even heard the "it's on me" line in the post game interview.....the more things change, the more they stay the same.
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Boy, all of these guys that thought our 5th round rookie that could take us deep into the playoffs sure did jump off that bandwagon quick. Lol!

I said this from the jump when Yates came in. He's a rookie, and for people to have thought some rookie who just thrown into the fire was going to go in there and take this team deep were kidding themselves.

Unfortunately we're seeing the same Kubiak I remember in his first two seasons when he would give games away and wouldn't even try to be competitive even when he had nothing to lose. The Texans aren't going to do jack in the post season when Kubiak coaches this way. I thought he got over that. Apparently not. That was a disgrace to lose that game last night.
I guess the bandwagon fans thought that Yates would be our Tom Brady but I Brady did sit his whole played one game his rookie year and had a year to check out the scene if I recall.
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Everybody also loves to blame the QB, what happened last night wasn't a QB issue. I can list 3 different factors that cost us the game before I get to the QB.

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I guess the bandwagon fans thought that Yates would be our Tom Brady but I Brady did sit his whole played one game his rookie year and had a year to check out the scene if I recall.
Yates and Tom Brady's name should never have even been mentioned in the same sentence.
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Winston dropped out of pass-blocking school and Caldwell is a drop-off from Breisel.
Winston can't block speed rushers...it's consistently been proven time and time again. He gets his ass handed to him on a platter every time we play the Colts and other speed rushers.
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In order to throw a significant number of times you have to sustain drives. Yates couldn't get it done. Never really had any time. The people on the field have to do their damned jobs. Yates was sacked 4 times and was hit on 3 other plays.

Absorb that stat for a moment
...that's 7 pressures/sacks out of only 16 attempts. That's horrifying. Embarrassing!

The damned O-line (I'm looking at you Caldwell and Winston) have to give the boy time to throw. Why dial up a bunch of passes when your O-line is letting your QB get creamed nearly ever other time he tries to drop back?
you do realize its only counted as an attempt if he throws the ball, so he was sacked 4 times on 20 pass attempts "in your terms"
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