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Old 12-21-2011   #61
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I do not recall us franchising Mario, per the asterisk. Consequently, a tag could cost us ~$10.6M.
KT, I cannot find that in the new CBA of August 4, 2011. Franchise tags are found under Section 10 beginning on page 44. It seemingly identifies a player such as Mario receiving his last season's salary + 20%. Nailing down Williams' true salary is difficult. Roto world has him earning $13.8m (there was no bonus to prorate) + $2.76m (20%)= $16.56m if he is tagged and that is reasonable to deal with.

*Note John McClain has said that Mario's salary is $18m with a tag of $22m but he did not identify his source. Following is from the CBA:


Year, which average shall be calculated by: (1) summing the amounts of the Franchise
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the 20 1 2 League Year) (the "Cap Percentage Average") (See Appendix E for an illustrative
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Whats funny is teams say best player availible, but they always slant their board kinda to their needs that become bpa. BPA is why detroit kept drafting wr's in the top 10. All those guys they drafted would have been drafted by other teams in that same slot.
I've heard/read somewhere, don't remember where, Kubes say they draft the best player available at a position of need. I think this is what most teams do, at least in the first 2 or 3 rounds. After that they may go strictly for bpa to start building depth.

But really it depends on where a team is in their, for lack of a better term, "life cycle." In other words, are they a team that is rebuilding and they have a new coach with a new scheme, or are they a team on top challenging for a Super Bowl with a seasoned coach? Each team will draft according to where they stand. A rebuilding team may go strictly with bpa throughout the draft since they usually have many holes to fill. A team on top may only have 1 or 2 holes to fill and will draft bpa in those areas of need, or in the case of NE, trade their 1st round pick and get multiple 2's and 3's and just draft bpa.

Another factor is positions of weakness and strengths in the draft. If it's a weak draft for NT's, and your team needs a NT, they may decide to go after one early regardless of bpa. If it's a strong draft for WR's they may wait until later to pick one up or they might take the best one at their pick.

Having said all this, I hope the Texans do take the best WR available with their top pick. We need to start looking ahead and grooming AJ and Walter's replacements. Both are 30. JMHO!
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It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.

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2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights

We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.
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2012 NFL Free Agent Receivers

Reggie Wayne (IND) - The Colts are an organization that tends to take care of their own. Though they're in a precarious position after signing Manning long term and with Robert Mathis looking for his own deal, the Colts will have to make room. On the bright side, the new CBA couldn't have come at a better time for the Colts who would have been due to dole out a large sum for a potentially high draft pick.

Wes Welker (NE) - Through 5 games, Welker is on pace to break the season record for receptions and shatter the record for receiving yards. It's safe to say hes Brady's favorite target on 3rd downs to move the chains and virtually impossible to cover out of the slot due to his quickness, intelligence, and hands. You have to think Brady will make a push to keep him around if the front office shockingly has other plans.

Vincent Jackson (SD) - Partially due to his actions and injuries, the Chargers have been reluctant to sign Vincent Jackson to a long-term extension. If there's any animosity between the two parties, this could be the time where there's a split. Still, the best guess is that the team will pay Jackson like a number one receiver and keep him in San Diego.

DeSean Jackson (PHI) - Jackson is the perfect weapon for the Eagles offense that relies upon big plays. Though the organization was unwilling to cave to his offseason demands, they'll have to think long and hard about doing everything in their power to retain Jackson. Though Maclin may be the better overall receiver, Jackson's vertical ability has a great impact on the way defenses approach the Eagles' offense. Though based on his comments and actions of several months ago, it appears that Jackson could be lured away from Philadelphia with a lucrative offer.

Dwayne Bowe (KC) - One subpar season aside, Dwayne Bowe has emerged into the number one receiver the offense needs. He's a big body and a good route runner with a large catching radius. His most impressive attribute is his body of work around the goal line. He's a complete mismatch with the fade, slant, and back shoulder passes and has shown the propensity to make the acrobatic catches on numerous occasions.

Marques Colston (NO) - When healthy, Colston is a match-up nightmare for any corner. He's an incredibly physical receiver and a sure-handed, polished route runner. When he's available, he brings another dimension to the Saints offense that none of their other talented weapons possess. Though Brees has proven capable of running the offense without him, they're even more dangerous with him.

Steve Johnson (BUF) - Still working on his meager rookie salary, Johnson figures to be a big part of the Bills' long term plans. On a team with few superstars, the Bills can afford to lock up Johnson long term and maintain an effective passing attack. After he and fellow free agent Ryan Fitzpatrick are locked up, Bills fans can breathe easier about the bright future of their offense.

Brandon Lloyd (STL) - Lloyd's next contract will largely depend upon his production over the remainder of the season. Though he hasn't been as explosive and consistent as a year ago when he broke out at age 29, he still appears to be a dangerous receiver with the league's largest catching radius.

Robert Meachem (NO) - Meachem is one of the younger receivers that could be a nice pick-up for an offense with a larger workload to offer. He's a good downfield threat and has nice instincts in the red zone. Unlike Colston, Meachem is more of a luxury for the offense.

Mario Manningham (NYG) - With Manningham and Cruz behind Hakeem Nicks, the Giants have found a nice threesome. They seemed disappointed in Steve Smith's decision to bolt for Philadelphia without the option to match the contact, so there's no question the front office will look to keep the remainder of their receiving corps intact.

Mike Wallace (PIT) - Restricted - No receiver in the league forces safeties back like Wallace. His deep speed is second to none on the perimeter and he capitalizes on it with the ability to run those vertical routes proficiently. He's improving in other areas of his game and is an extremely valuable piece to the Steelers' offense.

The Rest:
Early Doucet (ARZ)
Harry Douglas (ATL)
Eric Weems (ATL)
Roscoe Parrish (BUF)
Legedu Naanee (CAR)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Roy Williams (CHI)
Andre Caldwell (CIN)
Jerome Simpson (CIN)
Eddie Royal (DEN)
Rashied Davis (DET)
Maurice Stovall (DET)
Bryant Johnson (HOU)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Anthony Gonzalez (IND)
Jerheme Urban (KC)
Devin Aromashodu (MIN)
Bernard Berrian (MIN)
Greg Camarillo (MIN)
Deion Branch (NE)
Matt Slater (NE)
Domenik Hixon (NYG)
Devin Thomas (NYG)
Plaxico Burress (NYJ)
Derek Hagan (OAK)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Steve Smith (PHI)
Jerricho Cotchery (PIT)
Patrick Crayton (SD)
Braylon Edwards (SF)
Ted Ginn (SF)
Josh Morgan (SF)
Mike Sims-Walker (STL)
Micheal Spurlock (TB)
Donnie Avery (TEN)
Kevin Curtis (TEN)
Lavelle Hawkins (TEN)
Donte' Stallworth (WAS)
Stephen Williams (ARZ) - Exclusive Rights
Jordan Norwood (CLE) - Exclusive Rights
Jesse Holley (DAL) - Exclusive Rights
Kevin Ogletree (DAL) - Restricted
Stefan Logan (DET) - Restricted
Matt Willis (DEN) - Restricted
Danny Amendola (STL) - Restricted
Dominique Curry (STL) - Exclusive Rights
Preston Parker (TB) - Exclusive Rights
With the possible exception of Meachem, I don't see that any of those top 11 will be let go by their respective teams. No way.

Of the rest, I like Doucet and Harry Douglas. Edwards is a recognizable name who was inactive for the Steelers game. You have to wonder why that is. Ginn is another recognizable name but was cut by the 'Phins for a reason. I think he's like JJ; good returner but a so-so WR. Steve Smith might be worth a look, but his hands aren't the most dependable either.

I'd like to see us put Bryant Johnson to better use. yeah, he dropped a pass in Sunday's game, but so did O.D. I've seen A.J. drop one or two this year also. It happens. I wish they'd target him more to see what we have.

Who knows, maybe Maehl will shine through in the next two games and this issue will turn out to be not as dire as it seems right now.
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It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.




We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.
Really, this! I've been thinking along the same lines lately. I'm thinking Duane Bowe would be a great fit and wouldn't break the bank (but I'm on my phone and can't be arsed to check his salary).

This means getting rid of JJ.

Plus, don't forget that we'll be getting Lestar Jean back and Jeff Maehel (sp?) Will have some playing time (I hope).

And that's not to say that we couldn't pick up Marvin McNutt in the later rounds.

No, continue to build this defense and we'll be fine on offense until 2013.
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The guy on this list I would love to see is Desean Jackson. Him lined up across AJ would give D coordinators nightmares along with a solid Texan's running game. Could really put this offense over the top.

I doubt they'll pursue him though. I wouldn't mind giving Meachem an offer next and drafting a WR in the first to develop.
Meachem or Steve Smith are the guys I would be looking at in FA.

If you're looking for a Desean Jackson with heart. You can find him in the 3/4th rd. (Joe Adams, Jarius Wright or Marquis Maze.) These guys are all productive slot WR's with speed.

My sleeper Guys are Streeter and Aaron Dobson if he comes out. I watched Dobson last night (Marshall) This kid is a real talent.
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Meachem or Steve Smith are the guys I would be looking at in FA.

If you're looking for a Desean Jackson with heart. You can find him in the 3/4th rd. (Joe Adams, Jarius Wright or Marquis Maze.) These guys are all productive slot WR's with speed.

My sleeper Guys are Streeter and Aaron Dobson if he comes out. I watched Dobson last night (Marshall) This kid is a real talent.
Saying a 3-4th rounder can have the same impact as Desean Jackson is a little harsh...
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Saying a 3-4th rounder can have the same impact as Desean Jackson is a little harsh...
I agree. And what most people don't realize is that most players that have a similar skill set like what Desean Jackson has end up not being that great in this league, because they aren't physical enough or they can't run routes that well. Look at guys like Ted Ginn Jr. or Heyward Bey for example. Desean Jackson is freaking game breaker and shouldn't be compared to some random 3rd round guys with speed. He's a proven commodity in this league.

There is going to be a team out there that gets a motivated Desean Jackson and will probably get him at a bargain price.
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Sorry, if the BPA is a RB, OL, or DE/OLB we don't want them.
Maybe for RB, not sure about OL, and Mario's situation this offseason could mean we might be sitting there with an OLB/DE that is valued much higher than any of the other positions that are available at that spot.

I don't want to be the Atlanta Falcons, and try to trade up to grab whatever WR isn't taken inside the top 5 to get a big name. I also don't want to overpay a vet for the WR2 spot who is going to want a ton of money. The roster is in such a position that we don't have gigantic mack-truck sized holes in it, that we shouldn't have to reach for players like Kareem Jackson. Taking an approach that is BPA is exactly the kind of strategy the team needs to take and then fill out from there.

I doubt that the Texans are going to keep the core group of wideouts at what is already on the roster. It's not like they need to significantly upgrade the defense and spend all the money they have there.
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Maybe for RB, not sure about OL, and Mario's situation this offseason could mean we might be sitting there with an OLB/DE that is valued much higher than any of the other positions that are available at that spot.

I don't want to be the Atlanta Falcons, and try to trade up to grab whatever WR isn't taken inside the top 5 to get a big name. I also don't want to overpay a vet for the WR2 spot who is going to want a ton of money. The roster is in such a position that we don't have gigantic mack-truck sized holes in it, that we shouldn't have to reach for players like Kareem Jackson. Taking an approach that is BPA is exactly the kind of strategy the team needs to take and then fill out from there.

I doubt that the Texans are going to keep the core group of wideouts at what is already on the roster. It's not like they need to significantly upgrade the defense and spend all the money they have there.
Yeah, I think BPA is finally a position that we can take going into the next draft. We've had so many needs for so long now that we needed to fill holes, and while we still have them, we can easily afford to go with the BPA approach next draft as long as it isn't a position like RB or something.

I want this defense to continually get built into one of those defenses for the ages where guys are competing like crazy to start and we have great rotation. I wouldn't mind seeing another O lineman get picked with the first pick if a really good one is sitting there myself. Keeping a great O line in tact is one of the most important things on any offense.
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I doubt that the Texans are going to keep the core group of wideouts at what is already on the roster. It's not like they need to significantly upgrade the defense and spend all the money they have there.
#1 - The Texans not only need to drop J. Jones, and pick up a vet FA like
Duane Bowe, et al, but also they need a real spirited competion in training camp at WR, similar to what they had with CB. That means, start with your core, draft a late round WR, get a proven vet, and let 'er rip.

#2 - No, they don't need to spend all their money on defense - but let's make a concerted effort at DL, perhaps OL if the right guy falls into our lap, or even an LB if he's too good to pass up. (But remember Sharpton will be back next year, and that kid has really come on). I'm even tempted to say * gasp * a CB somewhere in the mix. I don't buy that B. Harris hasn't been suited up just because they don't want what happened to Kjak to happen to him.
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I think the thing that most people aren't realizing is that we're not going to have the money to throw at most of these guys on the list. Seeing as how we're probably going to have to re-sign Arian and maybe Mario the money just isn't going to be there to bring in a Bowe, Stevie Johnson, or Mike Wallace. We've been building through the draft and that's what we need to continue to do.

I do understand wanting to draft defense heavy once again, which is why I wouldn't mind trading back into the 2nd round and picking up additional picks. That way you can still get the WR in the early to mid-second round and still go defense heavy. Seeing as how this draft is deep with quality receivers I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans go this route at all. I do think Kendall Wright is a gamer though and super competitive so I wouldn't mind the Texans drafting this kid in the first round at all if he's there.
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I agree. And what most people don't realize is that most players that have a similar skill set like what Desean Jackson has end up not being that great in this league, because they aren't physical enough or they can't run routes that well. Look at guys like Ted Ginn Jr. or Heyward Bey for example. Desean Jackson is freaking game breaker and shouldn't be compared to some random 3rd round guys with speed. He's a proven commodity in this league.

There is going to be a team out there that gets a motivated Desean Jackson and will probably get him at a bargain price.
Cant stand Jackson, he's selfish and gutless.

He wont get the $$$$ in FA that he thinks he's going to get. How much whining will happen if he does't get the ball enough? I'm betting he will shut it down. He has a history of shutting it down.

Piece of crap, do not want on the Texans. Give me Steve Smith or Meachem at less $$$$ any day and twice on Sundays.
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Yeah, I think BPA is finally a position that we can take going into the next draft. We've had so many needs for so long now that we needed to fill holes, and while we still have them, we can easily afford to go with the BPA approach next draft as long as it isn't a position like RB or something.

I want this defense to continually get built into one of those defenses for the ages where guys are competing like crazy to start and we have great rotation. I wouldn't mind seeing another O lineman get picked with the first pick if a really good one is sitting there myself. Keeping a great O line in tact is one of the most important things on any offense.
Agreed

This is why I'm wanting to sign a vet FA. BPA is the way to go in the draft and finally the Texans are at a point they can draft this way. Ahhh the joy. LOL
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I think the thing that most people aren't realizing is that we're not going to have the money to throw at most of these guys on the list. Seeing as how we're probably going to have to re-sign Arian and maybe Mario the money just isn't going to be there to bring in a Bowe, Stevie Johnson, or Mike Wallace. We've been building through the draft and that's what we need to continue to do.

I do understand wanting to draft defense heavy once again, which is why I wouldn't mind trading back into the 2nd round and picking up additional picks. That way you can still get the WR in the early to mid-second round and still go defense heavy. Seeing as how this draft is deep with quality receivers I wouldn't mind seeing the Texans go this route at all. I do think Kendall Wright is a gamer though and super competitive so I wouldn't mind the Texans drafting this kid in the first round at all if he's there.
They will if they let MW walk.

A WR Corps of AJ/Meachem/Wright/Walter/JJ doesn't sound bad.
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It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.




We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.
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Really, this! I've been thinking along the same lines lately. I'm thinking Duane Bowe would be a great fit and wouldn't break the bank (but I'm on my phone and can't be arsed to check his salary).

This means getting rid of JJ.

Plus, don't forget that we'll be getting Lestar Jean back and Jeff Maehel (sp?) Will have some playing time (I hope).

And that's not to say that we couldn't pick up Marvin McNutt in the later rounds.

No, continue to build this defense and we'll be fine on offense until 2013.
I get yalls line of thinking, but using your Steelers defense example, the Steelers drafted a WR in the first round three times in the past 18 drafts. 1994, 1999, 2000, and Santonio Holmes in 2006.

I am not saying we should draft defense first, or WR first. Just that we cant put ourselves in a box and miss out on the best available player at a position of need.

The Ravens are no different. In the past 11 drafts that they had a first round pick, they have taken a WR twice. Thats 22% of the time.
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I think the thing that most people aren't realizing is that we're not going to have the money to throw at most of these guys on the list. Seeing as how we're probably going to have to re-sign Arian and maybe Mario the money just isn't going to be there to bring in a Bowe, Stevie Johnson, or Mike Wallace. We've been building through the draft and that's what we need to continue to do.
Building through the draft is mandatory. "strictly" building through the draft and "Not" going out and getting free agents is exactly what made us suck and under achieve for an entire decade. This off season we finally went out and signed two quality free agents that filled holes on our team, and we've got a top 3 CB in football and he's probably been the best defensive player on our team. Being afraid of free agency is the most flawed thing I've heard on this site or anywhere honestly. The Texans are having their best season this year which has a lot to do with what we did in free agency. Had we gotten a quality WR in free agency last off season like we should have and dropped JJ, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now.
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I get yalls line of thinking, but using your Steelers defense example, the Steelers drafted a WR in the first round three times in the past 18 drafts. 1994, 1999, 2000, and Santonio Holmes in 2006.

I am not saying we should draft defense first, or WR first. Just that we cant put ourselves in a box and miss out on the best available player at a position of need.

The Ravens are no different. In the past 11 drafts that they had a first round pick, they have taken a WR twice. Thats 22% of the time.
Those examples are not making your point at all though. Drafting a WR 3 times in 18 years makes my point completely because they've stayed strong on their defense. I'm not saying you do this every year either. ONce you have an insane unit that should be held together for years, than you can slowly find great pieces on offense. We still have arguably the best RB and WR in the game right now. We need help at the #2 spot at WR, but we can get a lot of really good guys in free agency that are known commodities in this league. The draft is always a crap shoot especially with WR's. Look at guys like Braylen Edwards, Roy Williams, Heyward-Bey, Crabtree, and many others that were total busts.
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It seems like people are forgetting what has made the Texans so successful this season and what makes all the elite teams successful year after year that stay on top. DEFENSE!! A stout top defense like what we have now and what the Ravens and the Steelers have had for years.

The best thing the Texans could do is use another draft and dedicate to defense and make this team the most feared dominant defense in the league, not only for this year but we need to build one that can be dominant for the rest of the decade. Wade Phillips will probably be leaving after this season or the next and we need the right pieces if he won't be here.

Our offense has been bad for a lot of this season due to AJ being out and our QB dropping off. We still have won a ton of games.

I want to upgrade at WR, but it would be better suited to do that in FREE AGENCY where we don't need to use valuable early round draft picks to do that. After spending one more draft on defense, than we stack back up on offense, but this defense is what will keep the Texans in the playoffs year in and year out, and just because we've been the best defense this season doesn't mean that will continue year after year especially when Wade is out.

We could use another WR for sure, but defense is more important right now as far as building a unit that will be dominant for another ten years.




We would be complete fools to waste a first pick in the draft on a WR, when there are this many top end WR's that we would have to choose from in free agency. Guys on that list will love to come to the Texans after seeing the season that we are having. Getting a WR can be done very easily in free agency. The draft needs to be for the defense and possibly the O line to continue to build a top blocking unit like what the Pats and the Colts have had for years.
If Mario, Myers, Dreesen and Foster are re-signed there will be little wiggle room for free agents. This was part of the "would you trade Mario" thread as trading him would bring picks and free up millions that could be used to go after FAs.
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I'd be thrilled to draft someone like Alshon Jeffery or Michael Floyd(both projected as top-20 pick, not sure if they'll be there for our pick) with our first rounder, then go for Kendall Wright in the second, even if we have to trade up.

We were able to take last year's weakness and turn in into a strength through the draft and the addition of Wade Phillips. Upgrading at WR should be much easier to do than drastically improving the entire defense. With a strong WR core, I don't see how we could be stopped(other than injuries).
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