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Old 12-19-2011   #101
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It is possible that some NFL players were not born and raised in America. Not sure if there are any on the Texans, but that may have something to do with it. Okoye was born in Nigeria, and I wouldn't expect him to have his hand over his heart for the anthem.

This brings up an interesting point.
Even if you are foreign born or raised if you are in the USA you need to show the proper respect.
As many have stated I don't think you have to have your hand over your heart you just should be respectful by being quiet and standing still.
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Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.
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Shockey's obviously still pissed DeMeco whooped that ass a couple years ago. Grudge much?
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Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.
Yeah, I guess Shockey probably accomplished what he wanted.

F you Shockey!
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This brings up an interesting point.
Even if you are foreign born or raised if you are in the USA you need to show the proper respect.
As many have stated I don't think you have to have your hand over your heart you just should be respectful by being quiet and standing still.
So if you attended a hockey game between an American and Canadian team, would you salute or put your hand over your heart for the Canadian national anthem? I wouldn't, but I would stand there and respect the anthem being played. That's essentially what the Texans players were doing, nothing out of the ordinary, so I think this criticism by Shockey is misguided.
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Nobody has to put their hand over their heart during the national anthem. This isn't Nazi Germany. You have the right not to.
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So if you attended a hockey game between an American and Canadian team, would you salute or put your hand over your heart for the Canadian national anthem? I wouldn't, but I would stand there and respect the anthem being played. That's essentially what the Texans players were doing, nothing out of the ordinary, so I think this criticism by Shockey is misguided.
Did you read my post?

That is exactly what I said. Show the proper respect but you don't have to do a certain gesture.
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Ahhh I see, just saw it on a image search, lol.
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Never saw this coming.

A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.
We must be reading two different threads.
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John - I love your column, but with due respect, Shockey is right. I have been a season ticket holder from Day 1 with the Texans. Several games ago, my kids pointed out that while the visiting Steelers were lined up in a straight line standing at attention for the anthem, the Texans players were strewn all over the place, many talking and not even paying attention. I have observed the exact same "unpatriotic" behavior in the home team in every game since. I am not denying the points you make about Mr. McNair and our Texans, but you would be wise to listen to Shockey's criticism and observe for yourself before blindly criticizing Shockey - even if he is a really easy target! While he is usually an ***** when he opens his mouth, this time he called a spade a spade. While our guys are good American men and great football players on most days, we can clearly improve. Please call on Gary and the guys to get their "anthem act" together in the future!
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John - I love your column, but with due respect, Shockey is right. I have been a season ticket holder from Day 1 with the Texans. Several games ago, my kids pointed out that while the visiting Steelers were lined up in a straight line standing at attention for the anthem, the Texans players were strewn all over the place, many talking and not even paying attention. I have observed the exact same "unpatriotic" behavior in the home team in every game since. I am not denying the points you make about Mr. McNair and our Texans, but you would be wise to listen to Shockey's criticism and observe for yourself before blindly criticizing Shockey - even if he is a really easy target! While he is usually an ***** when he opens his mouth, this time he called a spade a spade. While our guys are good American men and great football players on most days, we can clearly improve. Please call on Gary and the guys to get their "anthem act" together in the future!
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A pissing match over who and who doesn't love America.
Yeah, that never happens on this board.
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I refuse to read any of this crap concerning that village *****.
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Holy crap, I can't say i d i o .t?
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Holy crap, I can't say i d i o .t?
No, but apparently you can say "crap".
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Jeesh....this is jingoism taken to absurd levels...

I think it's time to Godwin's Law this stupid thread.

Did you know the government of Nazi Germany had strict rules and regulations about the "Hitlergruß" (literally Hitler Greeting or Deutscher Gruß, German Greeting)? The salute was mandatory for civilians, and people were encourage to rat out neighbors who did not conform to the exact standards established by the Nazi party.

Extreme nationalism is a social disease that can run rampant if not checked regularly with strong doses of irreverence.
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So let me get this straight Jeremy Shockey. If I remove my had and cross my hands behind my back during the anthem, I'm not a good 'Merican.

Perhaps Shockey needs to revisit the Constitution before calling anyone out on Patriotism. Douche.baggery on Parade.
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You don't spend much time in the NSZ anymore, eh?
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