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Old 02-22-2012   #81
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Walter updated again 2/22/12. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...TYkxPA&cad=rja

They have the Texans taking:
1. Alshon Jeffrey, WR, South Carolina
2. Joe Adams, WR/KR, Arkansas
3. Billy Winn, DE/DT, Boise St
4. Josh Kaddu, DE/OLB, Oregon

Not sure I would be happy with the Jeffrey pick. I guess it'll depend on what he does at the Combine. The rest are OK but I don't like getting back to back WR in the 1st and 2nd. If they get one in the 1st I hope they wait until the 4th or 5th to get another one. I'd rather go after a NT or LB in the 2nd.
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Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing. I'm not convinced he is full time starter material? I think he will be successful with more pieces around him & shows the discipline & work ethic to improve. He reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress but thicker. Plex ran 4.59 @ his combine, expect something similar from AJ.

Nothing new you ask yourself? Apparently not, pulled this from an old clip circa 2000 & this is what was said about him "As long as Burress has been draft-eligible--and probably longer--whispers have echoed about his undeveloped work ethic. Some scouts see a receiver with the ability to dominate his position but who doesn't seem to show up for every game, let alone every play.

"He has the tools," says one scouting consultant who asked for anonymity. "The problem is his concentration."

So there it is. The Question will be how well does this coaching staff reach out to him & squeeze out every ounce of his talent? We will not know what goes on behind close doors/workouts, but my guess is if he meets or exceeds the Texans requirements & he has a great interview with them, if available? I would have no problem with the pick nor would the draft world in general.

Throw in Joe Adams, there is the other guy to surround him with. A deep threat to be reckoned with. I've almost convinced myself to take Adams if the Jeffery/Wright/Floyd are all off the board #26.... this is also my mock draft pick for the Texans in the 2nd rd.

Very disappointed in Billy Winn @ the Senior Bowl. He doesn't look ready to compete at the next level. Liked him in games but maybe it was just the system & level of competition faced? In the Senior Bowl he was pushed aside, abused & anything else you can think of. Give me LaMichael James, RB, Oregon (looking at their list) he would be our new kick-off & punt returner, plus might prove a valuable 3rd down option out of the backfield as well straight up RB depth since Texans need to clear cap space (Ward is a FA).

Josh Kaddu is an interesting prospect. Good speed would be a back-up OLB & special teams player. Great work ethic, high motor, fits club just gets after it. Personally I would make a change again & target Nate Potter, OT/LG Boise State. Actually already mocked him in earlier edition to Texans in the 3rd rd. So 4th would be plus value in my view instead of reaching, he could kick inside to LG seems like his natural fit, ZBS type of OL not big but fast, smart & competitive.
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Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing.
This is why A.Jeffery would be my pick if he were still on the board @ 26.
The Texans dont have a problem moving the ball between the 20's , its those redzone possessions ending in FG's that are the problem and I think Jeffery solves many of those issues when coupled with AJ , OD and Walter.

I want one of Jeffery or Floyd @ 26 or Randel in the second .... pre combine.


Interested to see how Dwight Jones (North Carolina) & Brian Quick (Appalachian St.) run at the combine ..... as they could likely be had in the later rounds and fulfill that same role in compressed situations.
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This is why A.Jeffery would be my pick if he were still on the board @ 26.
The Texans dont have a problem moving the ball between the 20's , its those redzone possessions ending in FG's that are the problem and I think Jeffery solves many of those issues when coupled with AJ , OD and Walter.

I want one of Jeffery or Floyd @ 26 or Randel in the second .... pre combine.


Interested to see how Dwight Jones (North Carolina) & Brian Quick (Appalachian St.) run at the combine ..... as they could likely be had in the later rounds and fulfill that same role in compressed situations.
The problem with the Red Zone passing has been the QB's IMHO.

We have big receivers. We have guys good at getting into the holes in Zones. KW is a good box out catcher that is good in short yardage. OD, Dreesen....Of course AJ...Jacoby is a screw up, but he can make plays from time to time...

When the field gets shorter the QB has to be able to put the ball into tight spaces consistently and as much as I like Matt that has been my biggest concern about his game. Screw any other short coming he may have...He is not a good red zone passer.

When we score in the Red Zone it is mostly Arian Foster.

As far as taking Alshon at 26...I'd be thrilled about that. I think he has the potential to be a beast, but my only concern is his development. How will he handle being a pro.

If they went with Randle I'd be excited as well. I'd be ok with Sanu. Really there isn't a guy that I'd be pissed about. WR or otherwise.
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Jeffery is dominant @ times. In the NFL this translates into a specialist. Will draw double teams away from Andre in compressed situations, 3rd & long, red-zone targets that kind of thing. I'm not convinced he is full time starter material? I think he will be successful with more pieces around him & shows the discipline & work ethic to improve. He reminds me a lot of Plaxico Burress but thicker. Plex ran 4.59 @ his combine, expect something similar from AJ.

Nothing new you ask yourself? Apparently not, pulled this from an old clip circa 2000 & this is what was said about him "As long as Burress has been draft-eligible--and probably longer--whispers have echoed about his undeveloped work ethic. Some scouts see a receiver with the ability to dominate his position but who doesn't seem to show up for every game, let alone every play.
I think the main issue for Jeffrey will be weight and speed. There are rumors the man has ballooned up into the 250lb range. And that was not doing the buffet circuit, that was prior to his senior year. If he really is around 250lbs and puts up an iffy 40 time, I want no part of him. At the NFL level the successful guys aren't the ones with the most talent, but the guys who put in the work off the field becuase they LOVE the game. The NFL combine is a job interview. Showing up out of shape tells me that he doesn't LOVE the game.

My favorite example is Zach Taylor. Coming out of college he was an undersized LB with decent talent. But he put in the time off the field and ate, drank, and slept football. He ended up being an 8 time probowler and likely Hall of Famer. THAT's the guy I want, not some guy who couldn't be bothered to show up in game shape ready to go.
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I would love Alshon at 26. Honestly, I think he would be a steal if we got him there. He's got balls skills you can't teach(no puns intended), and would take away double teams from AJ. Joe Adams would make it even more awesome, would be a great slot receiver and would replace JJ for good, at least at PR. He could change the slot receiver with KW tho, and I think KW will be at his normal postiton, and is probably a better blocker.
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I think the main issue for Jeffrey will be weight and speed. There are rumors the man has ballooned up into the 250lb range. And that was not doing the buffet circuit, that was prior to his senior year. If he really is around 250lbs and puts up an iffy 40 time, I want no part of him. At the NFL level the successful guys aren't the ones with the most talent, but the guys who put in the work off the field becuase they LOVE the game. The NFL combine is a job interview. Showing up out of shape tells me that he doesn't LOVE the game.

My favorite example is Zach Taylor. Coming out of college he was an undersized LB with decent talent. But he put in the time off the field and ate, drank, and slept football. He ended up being an 8 time probowler and likely Hall of Famer. THAT's the guy I want, not some guy who couldn't be bothered to show up in game shape ready to go.
Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine
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Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine
then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line

i dont think we should draft him... because of his name. ppl will shorten it to aj also..

it will be another JJ (watt/joseph/jacoby) mess all over again and i wont stand for it goddammit!
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I love that Cinncinnati is always projected to take a guy with an arrest record.



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then he has a ****ty agent...

ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line.
Exactly.
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Alshon is now apparently down to around 217-220
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/7441/alshon-jeffery

There are rumors that Jeffery's agent spread the rumor that he was close to 250 so he could shock people at the combine

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ppl will still see the way he supposedly let himself go as a much bigger negative than showing up in shape when theres money on the line
Agreed. The other issue to consider is he had a pretty poor Senior year at South Carolina. Prior to this season he was talked about as a rival to Justin Blackmon as the first WR to be taken in the draft. Then he had a poor senior season. Was it weight related, poor work ethic, poor QB? A lot of questions.

Here is a picture of him at South Carolina's Senior Day. Still looks like he has some excess weight around the stomach.

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He weighed in at 216.
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