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TexFan58 · 04-29-2005

I would be interested in your comments on this subject: The reports are that Terrell Owens (Eagles) and Jevon Walker (Packers) and Anquan Boldin (Cardinals) are hold outs at mini camps. It seems that they are not happy with there contracts. Pretty much the same thing as Mike McKenzie (Saints) did last season with the Packers. The common thread here in that they all have the same agent Drew Rosenhaus and they all want to renegotiate there contracts. My opinon is that they negotiated these contracts and they should be required to live up to them, at the end of the contract then they can negotiate new deals. I also believe that if they don't live up to there signed contracts then they should be kicked out of the NFL and banned from playing in the league forever. Let me know what you think.

texan279 · 04-29-2005

I don't know about being benned from the NFL forever, but I can understand Westbrook holding out, he was only going to make 1.43 million this season. As far as the others, it seems like players nowadays have one good season and they want top 5 money. I do think it's getting ridiculuos...

michaelm · 04-30-2005

I heard a something in passing on espn saying that Rosenhaus has something like 14 players that may attemp to renegotiate their contracts this offseason.

SA Fan · 04-30-2005

This is a big "grey area" subject where who is right might never truly be decided.

Yes it's true that NFL players make a lot of money. But that does not mean that they should be denied the right to seek more compensation when they feel their contribution exceeds the amount stipulated in the contract.

Just think of how many Fortune 500 CEO's made loads more money than the highest paid NFL player. Yet they can leave thier job at will, usually so long as they do not leave to a direct competitor. Oh they'll say it is for a "new Challenge" or "opportunity" But usually it is for more money or more power. And Most CEO's sign multi-year contracts too.

The problem is that NFL players cannot just up and leave their organizations to go work for another one. They can't go to another NFL team as the contract to their current team would need to be traded. they can't go to a differet industry. Other than the CFL, there is no market for their talent. And they can't resign as they will risk losing their operating form and peak fitness. Thus losing their market value.

Also, No NFL Organization is going to give more money than the amunt stipulated upon unless asolutely made to do so. Which is perfectly respectable. No one expects any company in the US to increase compensation to a worker without the worker's request for a raise (and the implied threat of the employee leaving if the request is not granted). We shouldn't expect generosity above the US Norm from NFL Teams either.

Sadly, the only recourse for a NFL player is to sit out the training camps and hope that the Team powers that be agree to their terms before the lack of practice is a detriment to their contributions and abilties.

I do agree that this Rosenhaus fellow is setting up his players for a bad ending. It's practically impossible for this one agent to have as many players (as he claims) performing so far beyond the levels stipulated in thier contracts that they need to sit out on practice in order to be heard. No one will be black-listed. But I'm sure there have been players who were let go for less than what Rosenhaus is having his players do. And once their current contracts are up, It is going to be very difficult to get a faircontract for these players, as they will have a history of renegotiation.

wags · 04-30-2005

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Originally Posted by TexFan58

My opinon is that they negotiated these contracts and they should be required to live up to them, at the end of the contract then they can negotiate new deals.

It works both ways. The Redskins signed Brunell to a great deal and then asked him to restructure because he played bad. Should the Redskins have to live up the contract they signed Brunell to?

Holden135 · 04-30-2005

Holding out is in a way similar to when nfl teams release a player and allow him to resign for less money. It is used as leverage to get what you want. I promise you TO will get his money, maybe not in philly but at the very least he will get traded and sign a new contract. As for the agents i can't stand them. I do however respect what they are doing. If i was in their position i cant say i wouldn't do the same. The more money their clients get the more money they get.

04-29-2005	#1
TexFan58 Rookie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Houston Age: 55 Posts: 15 Rep Power: 0	Player Contracts I would be interested in your comments on this subject: The reports are that Terrell Owens (Eagles) and Jevon Walker (Packers) and Anquan Boldin (Cardinals) are hold outs at mini camps. It seems that they are not happy with there contracts. Pretty much the same thing as Mike McKenzie (Saints) did last season with the Packers. The common thread here in that they all have the same agent Drew Rosenhaus and they all want to renegotiate there contracts. My opinon is that they negotiated these contracts and they should be required to live up to them, at the end of the contract then they can negotiate new deals. I also believe that if they don't live up to there signed contracts then they should be kicked out of the NFL and banned from playing in the league forever. Let me know what you think.

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texan279 Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Rosenberg TX Age: 34 Posts: 5,561 Rep Power: 538	I don't know about being benned from the NFL forever, but I can understand Westbrook holding out, he was only going to make 1.43 million this season. As far as the others, it seems like players nowadays have one good season and they want top 5 money. I do think it's getting ridiculuos... __________________ Fire It Up, Let the engines roll, It's time to burn it down

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michaelm vox nihili Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Spring, TX Section: 648 Age: 47 Posts: 5,088 Rep Power: 31857	I heard a something in passing on espn saying that Rosenhaus has something like 14 players that may attemp to renegotiate their contracts this offseason. __________________ Every time you make a typo, the errorists win.

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SA Fan Rookie Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: San Antonio Age: 35 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 9	This is a big "grey area" subject where who is right might never truly be decided. Yes it's true that NFL players make a lot of money. But that does not mean that they should be denied the right to seek more compensation when they feel their contribution exceeds the amount stipulated in the contract. Just think of how many Fortune 500 CEO's made loads more money than the highest paid NFL player. Yet they can leave thier job at will, usually so long as they do not leave to a direct competitor. Oh they'll say it is for a "new Challenge" or "opportunity" But usually it is for more money or more power. And Most CEO's sign multi-year contracts too. The problem is that NFL players cannot just up and leave their organizations to go work for another one. They can't go to another NFL team as the contract to their current team would need to be traded. they can't go to a differet industry. Other than the CFL, there is no market for their talent. And they can't resign as they will risk losing their operating form and peak fitness. Thus losing their market value. Also, No NFL Organization is going to give more money than the amunt stipulated upon unless asolutely made to do so. Which is perfectly respectable. No one expects any company in the US to increase compensation to a worker without the worker's request for a raise (and the implied threat of the employee leaving if the request is not granted). We shouldn't expect generosity above the US Norm from NFL Teams either. Sadly, the only recourse for a NFL player is to sit out the training camps and hope that the Team powers that be agree to their terms before the lack of practice is a detriment to their contributions and abilties. I do agree that this Rosenhaus fellow is setting up his players for a bad ending. It's practically impossible for this one agent to have as many players (as he claims) performing so far beyond the levels stipulated in thier contracts that they need to sit out on practice in order to be heard. No one will be black-listed. But I'm sure there have been players who were let go for less than what Rosenhaus is having his players do. And once their current contracts are up, It is going to be very difficult to get a faircontract for these players, as they will have a history of renegotiation.

04-30-2005	#6
Holden135 Veteran Join Date: Mar 2005 Age: 31 Posts: 249 Rep Power: 9	Holding out is in a way similar to when nfl teams release a player and allow him to resign for less money. It is used as leverage to get what you want. I promise you TO will get his money, maybe not in philly but at the very least he will get traded and sign a new contract. As for the agents i can't stand them. I do however respect what they are doing. If i was in their position i cant say i wouldn't do the same. The more money their clients get the more money they get.

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