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Old 05-02-2005   #101
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That is ridiculous. Pocket presence is a learned skill just the same as reading the field. It's not genetic.
that's good to know. Now I can add that to my 'list of hopes' for Carr next season. Too bad last time I checked though, they didn't have an Zen Kung Fu Masters teaching Carr how to kick some hinney with a blindfold over his eyes on the coach's roster.

I think I will stick to my assumption though that some QB's have a better ability to sense the oncoming player, than others. Hey if it can be taught, hooray, then there is still hope. But then why does some Qb's have a better feel for those kinds of things, than others?

There are alot of reasons for Carr's jacked up sack total, IMHO. One of those was his insistance on running out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage with the ball in his hands instead of throwing it away. He got better at NOT doing that last season. The O-line has not been consistant yet. If it remains intact for the next season, then it will be for the first time we had consecutive season's with the same players in the same positions. I won't even go into the 'which position gave up the most sacks' as that is a subjective opinion and I have heard everything from straight up the center, to either side's tackle being insufficient. But it has been porous, on that I will gladly agree. But in todays NFL, where the QB gets to almost wear a pink tu-tu and even getting a sack on one is dang near impossible, you have to ask how Carr manages to do it so well. My answer is his insistance to not throw the ball away and his low Pocket Awareness. Hopefully that improves on both counts. Hopefully our defense is good enough that Carr can comfortably throw the ball away and have confidence that the D can stop them, as Brady seems to do. But up till now, Carr is part of the problem. He isn't the whole problems, as it doesn't rest on one player or even one area alone. But I ain't naive enough to say that Carr was perfect and the rest of the team is the problem. Carr should own his share of blame, and that is what I am simply doing. Assigning the part of blame that I feel he own's to HIM. Not the line, not the coach's, not the D. The part that he directly has control over. The Ball and his mismanagment of it.

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Old 05-02-2005   #102
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I agree with that, but it is kinda ironic that we don't utilize the TE more.. I am no offensive whiz when it comes to football, but it was my understanding that the TE is a key to beating the cover two and with that, I would think guys would rotate off of AJ more with a third option.. But of course many times I am sure the TE is staying in and blocking
The TE position is becoming a key piece in modern offenses and are very vital to young qbs. A good receiving te, who can also block can do wonders for your team. I had the opportunity to watch Jason Witten for dallas over the last couple of years and he is already their best receiver and best offensive weapon. (although J.Jones should challenge him for that title). I think the injury to Joppru has really hurt us. I don't remember hearing much about him in collage, but if he was drafted before witten he better have some skills. I just think the injuries to the offensive side of the ball have set David back a little. David's injuries in year 2, DD's injuries, B.Juppru's inability to get on the field, and the injury to Bollesi is probably the biggest one. It can't get any worse things have to start going our way on that side of the ball.
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don't forget to add to your injury list Hollings, Payne, Walker, and Glenn. The injury bug has NOT been kind to the Texans. But then again we are young and our depth pool is not up to speed with the rest of the NFL. I do see that coming more 'in line' in the next season, so we will actually have some decent backup/replacement players in the event of an injury.
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GREAT QB's (first 3 seasons)

Brett Favre- 37TD's 39INT's

Terry Bradshaw- 31TD's 58INT's

Warren Moon- 40TD's 59INT's

Dan Fouts- 16TD's 36INT's

Steve Young- 21TD's 21INT's

Bart Starr- 13TD's 25INT's

Troy Aikman- 31TD's 46INT's

*David Carr- 34TD's 42INT's
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Terry Bradshaw- 31TD's 58INT's

Dan Fouts- 16TD's 36INT's
Holy terrible!!!!! eek:
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you ever wanna just grab someone and shake em till they pass out?
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But will be on the 1st ballot. Sure he didn't do anything until his 5th season except go to the pro-bowl in his 3rd, 4th and 5th seasons and oh yeah, win a Super Bowl in his 4th season. That said, there are certainly similarities/coincidences to Carr and Aikman's track records so far and Aikman sure turned out OK.
That's true, but the only stat he had better that Car his 3'rd year was completion percentage, and that has totaly to do with suporting cast (leading rusher in the NFL). Plus his line was flat out better.
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With our O-line, the cheerleadrs had bigger pockets than Carr last season
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you ever wanna just grab someone and shake em till they pass out?
Every single time I read about someone wishing we had drafted Barron.
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Every single time I read about someone wishing we had drafted Barron.
haha me too!!! but he is named the starter for the rams. lets see if he makes an immediate impact? god i hope he doesnt os i dont have to eat my words saying i didnt think he was a good pick for us. haha
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haha me too!!! but he is named the starter for the rams.
Starter at RT, a position the Rams were truly in dire need of, not LT. The RT position for the Rams gave up 14.5 sacks last year. In a year most consider below average for Wade due to an ankle sprain, he gave up 6 sacks.
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This year Carr has to make his own image in the NFL (not to say he is on the hot seat, but it is time to define himself in some fashion).
Most Times Sacked, Season: 76: David Carr (Houston '02)

now after three seasons he has 140 towards surpassing Elways Most Times Sacked, Career: 516: John Elway (Denver '83-'98).

concerning pocket awareness here is an interesting article- http://www.nfl.com/news/story/7793555

and another thread from the past including yours truely- http://www.houstontexans.com/fan_zon...ead.php?t=6763
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Interesting to note that in the year we gave up our least amount of sacks Carr started the fewest games of his career.
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Interesting to note that in the year we gave up our least amount of sacks Carr started the fewest games of his career.
Interesting how? In '03, Carr was sacked 15 times in 295 attempts (19.7 attempts/sack). Compared to the other Texan QBs in '03, Banks was sacked 13 times in 103 attempts (7.9 attempts/sack) & Ragone went down 8 times in 40 attempts (5 attempts/sack).

Sacks don't tell the entire story. No Texan QB threw for over 7 yards/attempt. And QBs were knocked out of the game on 3 occasions, including Banks who was lost for the remainder of the season with a broken finger. The line wasn't good in '03 and should've improved in '04. It didn't.
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Interesting to note that in the year we gave up our least amount of sacks Carr started the fewest games of his career.
Tempting but i am going to leave that one alone because I am not going to break down a game by game on sacks from 2003. As for the bigger question that started this thread Carr is a starting NFL QB in this league so he deserves to start until a better idea comes along or he does somethng to disprove that notion. Right now i think he is in the Brooks/Plumber mole of inconsistent guy, but he has time to prove otherwise.
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I just took a quick peek and Banks was sacked at a higher rate per game than Carr to be fair. He was taken down 13 times in 2003. Carr was sacked 15 times according to NFL.com. There are some missing sacks somewhere. I'll look later.

2003 Banks

2003 Carr
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