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Old 04-29-2005   #21
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i think the more important question is how much longer do we sit on this o-line and zone blocking scheme...mckinny struggles against bigger DT's...wiegert has yet to stay healthy for a whole season here in houston...and don't get me started on our o-line depth
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I agree for the most part here with what everyone is saying.

I'm quite upset that we didn't do a better job addressing our line in the draft for Carr after a failed attempt at O Pace. Clearly if you are going after him you should do something more than a 5th round Center.

As far as a TE I'm so not depending on Joppru to breakout other than to break something else.

What happen to the Palmer that opened up with a DEEP BOMB on the first play against the cowboys. This conservative stuff is killing me. Let Carr OPEN up the offense some dang.
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as long as he needs. I wish some of you would get a clue, Carr is not the problem! Look at the guy calling the plays and protection calls, and the guys who are suppose to be blocking for him.
I have to agree with you pretty much on this one.
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And as far as how much longer do we give

DD? I say this year since you want to know.

AJ? He's proven himself to be a STUD. When you are drawing double cov. every week you are doing the daam thing.

Dunta? Wasn't he D player of the year so I guess that answers that question.

I think you put every player under a microscope quit acting like a golden boy qb is exempt from conversation.
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quit acting like a golden boy qb is exempt from conversation.
Where do you come off thinking this? You have been getting answers to your question....are you not happy with what you hear? I don't get why the sarcasm has to be used.

Original by texan279- I don't think we can say anything about Carr until he has at least GOOD pass protection, not great, but good. And a TE woudln't hurt either...
True that.

Originally Posted by THEFUTURE- Carr will be our QB and hopefully will retire as it, Brett Favreish hopefully.
Wouldn't that be awesome! This type of player is so scare in today's NFL. If David is allowed to play with adequate protection, I believe he can astonish alot of naysayers. Let's get the O line to step up and see if this is true....
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Carr will do good I know he will, he's a good guy and good QB.



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Hi JJ4. How goes the reflux of Hog fans at the litterbox? Has it mellowed out yet? Y'all got your hands full over there.
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(sigh)

Did McNabb when the Super Bowl? How long did it take him to win the NFC championship? Three times to win it. Did Jake Delhomme win the Super Bowl? Where's he been since then? Etc. etc.

It takes a complete team to when the NFL title. '85 Bears, who had one of the best defenses..but who also had a running game and clutch receiving. '72 Dolphins, who were pretty much a bunch of no-names with no real superstars other than Csonka. Patriots. Cowboys. Steelers. Packers. Those championship teams had it going on with all aspects of the game. Look at the Bills: Great team(s) but couldn't get it done. Was it Jim Kelly's fault? Nope. Was it Scott Norwood's fault (one of those was his fault).

Carr juked a player (Saints two years ago, right?) and ran it in for a score. The guy jumped over the pile and beat J-ville with no ticks on the clock...on fourth down. Came back from shoulder injury and ran the ball for a key first down, only to get dogged into the ground and re-injure his shoulder. Beat the Chiefs when the Chiefs romped us two years ago. Beat the Cowboys. Almost beat the Patriots. Almost beat the Vikings. Almost beat the Packers. Each of those losses was NOT his fault. Had our defense been better, and it should have been, we'd have won those games.

And as far as our zone blocking that somebody griped about. Were you watching the Lions game last year when the zone blocking gave DD perfect running lanes, only to have DD fumble the ball in crucial parts of the game. Same goes for San Diego. That's two wins right there that was not a result of DC's play. With just those two wins, we'd be at 9-7 and not 7-9. Our zone blocking runs well when DD holds onto the ball. He's an awesome runner, and I think those two losses to start off the season last year was a huuuuuuuuuuuge blow to our momentum.

Doesn't help that G-Funk is struggling. Doesn't help that Palmer can't call a consistent game.

There's a whole more than just the QB (on any team) that decides ballgames. When we play solid defense, it keeps the other team's defense on the field and they get tired. Thus, they can't chase DC as well as they have when we can't keep another team from converting EVERY third and long.

Solid D.

No fumbles by DD.

Carr and AJ take care of the rest.

And let's just HOPE that Palmer goes to the bathroom every other series so another coach can call some good plays.
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I give him this year and if his TDs are significantly higher than his INTs, then I think we start tapping him on the shoulder.

Does anyone think it is out of the question to expect 20 TDs and about 12 INTs this year?
all depends on the O-Line. Carr will go as far as the O-Line takes him
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Carr is not the problem, our offense last season did pretty good, IT"S the defense that let us down, when the defense can shut down offenses then that will give Carr and Crew the chance to shine, But that to might be a problem with Palmer running the offense. I hope that the speed and youth on defense can pull it together this season or we will have the same thing as we did last season.
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Were you watching the Lions game last year when the zone blocking gave DD perfect running lanes, only to have DD fumble the ball in crucial parts of the game. Same goes for San Diego. That's two wins right there that was not a result of DC's play.
I agreed with almost everything else in your post, but David Carr had 3 INT's in the 1st two games--by the way, he also fumbled it twice in Detroit, same as DD--he just got lucky enough for them to be recovered by us. Points were scored off both his turnovers and DD's. This same thing has been said before, but it simply isn't accurate to lay the 1st two losses solely at DD's feet.
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In truth, it's the fault of the offense for the losing season.

The offense was being too predictable/conservative and going 3 and out in the second half of almost every game last season [most of our losses... if our offense did SOMETHING in the 2nd half, I gurantee you we win].

The defense...well, when you play for the entire 2nd half, you will get tired and fall apart.

A good defense wins you games, but good defenses need a breather too.

Of course, that points the finger of blame at two groups.... the coaches and the oline.
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as long as he needs. I wish some of you would get a clue, Carr is not the problem! Look at the guy calling the plays and protection calls, and the guys who are suppose to be blocking for him.
I think most of the post's on here are missing the MAIN point. This ENTIRE orginization has a grand total of 48 regular season games under its belt. That's about the length of time most realistic fans ( and the people who do this for a living!!!) take to grade a single draft. We started from scratch and have developed into a pretty darn decent team. We had 13 teams draft in front of us this year. That, in itself, is a minor miracle. It's gonna take us at least one more year to develope team chemistry and stockpile enough talent, without destroying our salary cap, to seriously compete with the big boys in this league. We have to go through our growing pains and suffer through abyssmal losses(CLEVELAND!!!! ) as we gain experience AND talent. Carr has done an exceptional job under less than ideal circumstances. Troy Aikman suffered through worse his 1st 2 or 3 yrs in the league. And that was with "America's Team" ) At least give the man enough time to settle down and let the team grow (build) around him like the original plan was.
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FILO Girl I'm very happy with the responses given here. What upset me is that folks act like this is a question that can't be asked. As soon as you question it its like how dare I even bring it up.

I am a Carr supporter but that doesn't mean he's exempt from being questioned. This was more so to the point for the texans and any other NFL team at what point do you realize you need a new qb and go in a new direction at that position. Everyone says bringing in a new qb sets a team back 2 or 3 years.

I think Carr has been let down in this year's draft. I felt like at LEAST 3 picks should have gone to OL.
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I think Carr has been let down in this year's draft. I felt like at LEAST 3 picks should have gone to OL.
I would have had lots of bad things to say and Cowboy jerseys to buy if the Texans had done that. I hate the Cowboys worse than stepping in cat poop barefooted(I hope that doesn't violate posted rules..if so, it was completely accidental and regretful). The O-line prospects were average at best. That is giving them some credit.
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Maybe avg. at the Tackle slots but there was some really good talent on the inside. Maybe not a lot but enough for us to say get a guard or some real depth on the inside.

OG Brown from UVA was a prime example. We could have had him in the 3rd instead we get a RB who will play Backup????
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Maybe avg. at the Tackle slots but there was some really good talent on the inside. Maybe not a lot but enough for us to say get a guard or some real depth on the inside.

OG Brown from UVA was a prime example. We could have had him in the 3rd instead we get a RB who will play Backup????
Good point, and most interior OLmen are not high draft picks. I'm kinda curious to see how some of our UDFA's pan out. Some pretty decent interior OL guys there. And Morency was reportedly the 4th highest rated rusher this draft. Not too shabby to be right behind Cadillac, Benson and Brown. He might surprise us this summer. Anyways, you make a good case.
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pretty good all the Matt Jones bandwagoners are still there spaming the board, you'll see a person there that just registered this year and already has +900 posts it's ridiculous! I think Matt Jones is a terrific athlete and will do great things in the NFL, I just don't expect anything spectacular out of him this year. Next year the bar will be raised but he has to transiton first which will be a rocky road. And in response, I think Carr will be terrific this year and for the duration of his career; David is one of the few players on your team who I like and respect and I come here to look at how you guys are prepairing for this season. For us I'm worried on how our drafted LT Barnes is going to perform I hope he gets the starting job. I also wonder about the CB we drafted I wish him luck because we need a corner to complement Rashean Mathus. Well my visits here have been great no complaints yet! I will talk later bye.



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FILO Girl I'm very happy with the responses given here. What upset me is that folks act like this is a question that can't be asked. As soon as you question it its like how dare I even bring it up.

I am a Carr supporter but that doesn't mean he's exempt from being questioned. This was more so to the point for the texans and any other NFL team at what point do you realize you need a new qb and go in a new direction at that position. Everyone says bringing in a new qb sets a team back 2 or 3 years.

I think Carr has been let down in this year's draft. I felt like at LEAST 3 picks should have gone to OL.
OK, two separate questions really, Carr and the OL. Let's set the OL aside. What do you think Carr needs to improve upon this year? Not a stats thing necessarily, but finding the #3, feeling pressure, etc. What do you feel he has and has not improved upon in the last 3 years that concern you or make you think he will not be here for awhile (cap issues aside)?
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I always say that every player deserves four years to fully prove himself but in Carrs case I think he deserves more like six years. Your front office has not done **** to help get him some real OL, the poor ******* is on his back more than he is on his feet. Untill you get him some help the Texans and David Carr will go no where.
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