Matt Schaub's Contract

[Premier]

Originally Posted by Atl Cav

This is a predictable and short-sighted response...These games would have been blowouts with an experienced QB like Schaub.

the texans blowout the Titans, Bucs, and Browns and fans get all giddy and assume were gonna blow out every team.. how was the score indicative of TJs play. the kid was moving the chains ALL GAME. would jacoby have caught the deep ball if schaub threw it? would tate not have fumbled at the goal line if schaub handed him the ball? what about rackers missed FG.. is that on Yates.. 20-point swing had us down at halftime.. re-watch the game youll see a couple dropped balls that ended drives... these are the exact types of games schaub loses.. when you need a qb to step up for a team that isnt playing PERFECT, schaub fails time and time in these situations...

assuming a blowout is beyond ridiculous.. the fact that there are so many votes to re-sign schaub has me concerned for our fans.. mediocrity, folks must love it..

"We realized what was on the line there," tight end Owen Daniels said. "It is unbelievable what T.J. was able to do, finding people down the field, avoiding the rush and making plays. It was so smooth. I've never seen anything like it."

seems like the truth hurts for schaub apologists...

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by GuerillaBlack

Depends on what TJ does. If he leads us to the SB, even in a loss there, he deserves the starting job.

Remind me of the starting QB's who lost their jobs after injury to backups who had worse QB ratings?

Before you bother to look it up, Brady came in and had a significantly higher rating than Bledsoe's.

Originally Posted by thunderkyss

Maybe.

When the question, "Can we win a Super Bowl with Matt Schaub" comes up, the answer usually references Dilfer or Johnson. Though many do not want to admit it, I think it mean we all know that something is missing.

That something, we're seeing in Tj Yates.

"It"

Six years into this, it should be clear whether Schaub has "it" or not. You'd think anyway. Personally, I don't think we'll know if Schaub has "it" until we see him in a play-off game.

I also don't know if Tj's "it" is real, won't know until he plays in the play-offs.... like Romo. He's got "fool's it" looks like the real thing, unless the game matters & they don't really matter until you're in the play-offs.

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Well that post was certainly full of it.

[Kthx]

Originally Posted by Premier

the texans blowout the Titans, Bucs, and Browns and fans get all giddy and assume were gonna blow out every team.. how was the score indicative of TJs play. the kid was moving the chains ALL GAME. would jacoby have caught the deep ball if schaub threw it? would tate not have fumbled at the goal line if schaub handed him the ball? what about rackers missed FG.. is that on Yates.. 20-point swing had us down at halftime.. re-watch the game youll see a couple dropped balls that ended drives... these are the exact types of games schaub loses.. when you need a qb to step up for a team that isnt playing PERFECT, schaub fails time and time in these situations...

assuming a blowout is beyond ridiculous.. the fact that there are so many votes to re-sign schaub has me concerned for our fans.. mediocrity, folks must love it..

"We realized what was on the line there," tight end Owen Daniels said. "It is unbelievable what T.J. was able to do, finding people down the field, avoiding the rush and making plays. It was so smooth. I've never seen anything like it."

seems like the truth hurts for schaub apologists...

Get real man. Everyone here likes that TJ has been able to play well in the situation, and I haven't heard anyone say that he hasn't already taken the #2 slot from Leinart but to say that people who think Schaub is better at this point than TJ are settling for mediocrity is dumb.

It's pretty obvious that Yates isn't as good at concealing handoffs on bootlegs, isn't as good at spotting blitz packages on the other teams defensive line, isn't able to notice blindside blitzes, and still gets a bit nervous and takes some wild and high throws. I am not saying that he won't be getting better at these things every week but you can't deny that he had plenty of overthrows on some easy to make short passes, and also took five sacks (not all of them were the Olines fault either).

I hate to bring up any negatives to the guy who basically became a Houston Hero overnight because I myself really like the guy and enjoy watching him play but don't get caught up in the moment and forget everything Schaub brings to the table either.

[TexansLucky13]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Remind me of the starting QB's who lost their jobs after injury to backups who had worse QB ratings?

Before you bother to look it up, Brady came in and had a significantly higher rating than Bledsoe's

If we win the Super Bowl with Yates at QB there WILL be strong consideration for him to start next year. End of discussion.

[Premier]

Yates stares down the blitz and gets rid of the ball.. Schaub picks up the blitz and rolls over.. you want to stick with the vet because hes more technically sound then a kid with raw talent that trumps our starters talent. he also possesses the qb skills that schaub will NEVER have. save me your praise for this dude... keep your numbers, his numbers have lead him to a .500 record with the texans. keep your excuses about the texans defenses in the past, there are qbs who currently have the 27th, 31st, 32nd ranked defenses and 10-3, 10-3, & 13-0 records, respectively.. excuses galore.. schaub is 30, his ceiling was reached years ago. i dont know what you guys are waiting for with schaub.. its never gonna happen.. i really think you people believe the Texans were going to be blowing out teams in the playoffs.. smh

the people stringing to the hope of schaub are the same people that said we were done when he went down...

keep clinging to schaubs very short list of irrelevant accolades, 2009 pass leader? pro-bowl MVP? you get real..

[Kthx]

What was our record before Schaub went out?

[Rey]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Remind me of the starting QB's who lost their jobs after injury to backups who had worse QB ratings?

Before you bother to look it up, Brady came in and had a significantly higher rating than Bledsoe's.



Well that post was certainly full of it.

How many teams lose their first and second team qb and go on to clinch the division anyways? How many teams continue to win with injuries to such key players?

This isn't a situation that teams typically find themselves in.

Also, schaub as a fourth year player and his first year here he had an 87 passer rating. He has gotten better since then. No reason Yates as a rookie wouldn't progress.

He has two full games under his belt and four weeks ago wasn't getting many reps in practice. I think it's a little early to look at his qb rating.

Statistically Yates doesn't have to be better than schaub right away. If he shows great potential and is a key factor in us winning games it's going to be a tough decision come spring.

[Rey]

Originally Posted by Kthx

What was our record before Schaub went out?

What is our record since he's gone down?

[ChampionTexan]

Originally Posted by Kthx

Get real man. Everyone here likes that TJ has been able to play well in the situation, and I haven't heard anyone say that he hasn't already taken the #2 slot from Leinart but to say that people who think Schaub is better at this point than TJ are settling for mediocrity is dumb.

It's pretty obvious that Yates isn't as good at concealing handoffs on bootlegs, isn't as good at spotting blitz packages on the other teams defensive line, isn't able to notice blindside blitzes, and still gets a bit nervous and takes some wild and high throws. I am not saying that he won't be getting better at these things every week but you can't deny that he had plenty of overthrows on some easy to make short passes, and also took five sacks (not all of them were the Olines fault either).

I hate to bring up any negatives to the guy who basically became a Houston Hero overnight because I myself really like the guy and enjoy watching him play but don't get caught up in the moment and forget everything Schaub brings to the table either.

[TexansBull]

Schaub maybe on the PUP list so Yates may get the start anyway and it maybe his job to lose then. Yates is going to have to look pretty special in the playoffs to unseat Matt and he has to go undefeated the rest of the way too.

If anything, franchise Schaub.

[Rey]

Yates is not going to be as good as schaub was this year. Period.

But considering the circumstances he has played extremely well. Not well enough to be the starter yet, but it is unrealistic to expect him to be schaubs equal or greater in just his second start.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TexansLucky13

If we win the Super Bowl with Yates at QB there WILL be strong consideration for him to start next year. End of discussion.

Yeah by fans and radio commentators. The coaches won't give it significant consideration until TJ significantly bumps his completion %, ypa, TD's, etc.

Originally Posted by Premier

Yates stares down the blitz and gets rid of the ball.. Schaub picks up the blitz and rolls over.

LOL, thanks for proving your eyes deceive you. Schaub has consistently torn up blitz packages over the past three years.

Peyton Manning is the benchmark possibly of all time of at the line D analysis, changing plays to counter the D, quick release and beating blitzes. So certainly Mr. Roll Over sucks compared to him - or:

2008 - better QB rating than Manning when blitzed.
2009 - behind Manning but just under 100 QB rating.
2010 - again better rated than Manning.

[TexansLucky13]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Yeah by fans and radio commentators. The coaches won't give it significant consideration until TJ significantly bumps his completion %, ypa, TD's, etc.

Back to reality

[Premier]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Yeah by fans and radio commentators. The coaches won't give it significant consideration until TJ significantly bumps his completion %, ypa, TD's, etc.



LOL, thanks for proving your eyes deceive you. Schaub has consistently torn up blitz packages over the past three years.

Peyton Manning is the benchmark possibly of all time of at the line D analysis, changing plays to counter the D, quick release and beating blitzes. So certainly Mr. Roll Over sucks compared to him - or:

2008 - better QB rating than Manning when blitzed.
2009 - behind Manning but just under 100 QB rating.
2010 - again better rated than Manning.

32-34 career record... mediocrity..

lets talk more numbers..

schaubs career 2 minute rating is 48... 7 TDs. 9 INTs..

SCHAUB IS A SCARED QUARTERBACK..





please love my schaub...

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TexansLucky13

Back to reality

Yeah, Tebow came in and his QB rating is BETTER than his predecessor's. There's reality. When TJ (who I am impressed with and think will get better) gets up to Schaub's consistency and can pull off 5 scoring drives in a row with the last two being 99 yards and 94 yards against the Ravens, then we can talk.

Originally Posted by Premier

32-34 career record... mediocrity..

lets talk more numbers..

schaubs career 2 minute rating is 48... 7 TDs. 9 INTs..

SCHAUB IS A SCARED QUARTERBACK.

Citation for that assertion because yahoo has Schaub significantly higher and within 8 points of Manning on their careers.

[Premier]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

pull off 5 scoring drives in a row with the last two being 99 yards and 94 yards against the Ravens, then we can talk.

ahhh i love it... schaubs finest hour indeed..


how did that game end?

[TexansLucky13]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

Yeah, Tebow came in and his QB rating is BETTER than his predecessor's. There's reality.

Tebow has a completion percentage of 48.5%, worse than any other QB with over 14 passes per game in over a decade. Yet, he has only lost one game. How could this be????

My point here is simple. TJ, as a rookie, is already proving that he can do what is necessary to win when it counts. IF (and I mean a big IF) he does what he did against the Bengals in the Super Bowl, I guaran-freakin-tee you that he has an excellent shot at starting for this team. That's all I am trying to say.

[infantrycak]

Originally Posted by TexansLucky13

Tebow has a completion percentage of 48.5%, worse than any other QB with over 14 passes per game in over a decade. Yet, he has only lost one game. How could this be????

What did I say? Tebow has done significantly better than his predecessor on QB rating - about 10 points. Let's wait to anoint TJ Yates until he is at about 106 instead of 82.

And please with the "how could this be." If you have been watching the games the Broncos have benefited from many factors other than Tebow. I mean seriously, did Tebow will Marion Barber to run out of bounds? Did Tebow vorpal mind force Barber into fumbling in OT while inside FG range? Without either of those two things Tebow is totally irrelevant.

[ObsiWan]

siiiigh....
you guys make my


Oh well, I guess a QB controversy thread because both the starter and the backup have been successful is better than a QB controversy thread because they both suck.


Carry on.

[TexansLucky13]

Originally Posted by infantrycak

What did I say? Tebow has done significantly better than his predecessor on QB rating - about 10 points. Let's wait to anoint TJ Yates until he is at about 106 instead of 82.

And please with the "how could this be." If you have been watching the games the Broncos have benefited from many factors other than Tebow. I mean seriously, did Tebow will Marion Barber to run out of bounds? Did Tebow vorpal mind force Barber into fumbling in OT while inside FG range? Without either of those two things Tebow is totally irrelevant.

I made it quite clear that I was by no means putting TJ on a throne here. I'm exploring the "what if" of Yates leading us to the Super Bowl. You act like the QB rating is more important than a championship, or as if it would have no weight in consideration of his position next season.

That game is only one example, I have watched a few. It's pretty much as if Tebow flips a switch in the 4th quarter and says "Ok, let's win this game". The only reason I brought him up was to show how irrelevant QB stats can be in comparison to the biggest one...wins.