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Old 12-09-2011   #1
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What pray tell is the diff between college ball and the pros?

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...This. Call it a "dirty" hit if you want, but when a QB leaves the pocket, that's the risk he takes.
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Considering Antonio got fined for touching Matt Ryan's helmet, Harrison could get suspended for his past history.
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Considering Antonio got fined for touching Matt Ryan's helmet, Harrison could get suspended for his past history.
Nah. I agree with part of the article. They'll fine him, he'll ***** about it, his coaches and team will support him, then everyone will move on.
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Default Re: James Harrison welcomes Colt McCoy to the NFL

Probably a fine, but some these fines and suspensions are laughable, and I don't think they'll take them out of the game so I am working on not getting upset about it.

I read somewhere that there is a gray area of the rule in terms of the QB trying to advance the ball as a runner he is fair game. So who knows, he might not even receive a fine at all.

Credit McCoy for coming back in a few plays later, that's a pretty tough hit to take directly to the dome. He said he didn't even remember the hit.
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Nah. I agree with part of the article. They'll fine him, he'll ***** about it, his coaches and team will support him, then everyone will move on.
I don't know. Past history makes a difference and Harrison has pretty significant history. I think the league leaders in Personal Foul penalties over the past few years are Harrison, Suh, and Dunta. So, Harrison leading with his head could equate to a 1 game suspension.
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Probably a fine, but some these fines and suspensions are laughable, and I don't think they'll take them out of the game so I am working on not getting upset about it.

I read somewhere that there is a gray area of the rule in terms of the QB trying to advance the ball as a runner he is fair game. So who knows, he might not even receive a fine at all.

Credit McCoy for coming back in a few plays later, that's a pretty tough hit to take directly to the dome. He said he didn't even remember the hit.
If that is true then its possible that McCoy suffered a mild concussion if he doesn't remember the hit. I don't credit McCoy one bit for coming back in and I wish the team had held him out. Head injuries are serious business and not taking proper precautions can cut a career and in some cases a life short. Young football players who sustain similar injuries see pros shrugging off head injuries as if they are nothing more than a cut is asking for trouble.

The NFL needs to get serious about head injuries ASAP.
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Probably a fine, but some these fines and suspensions are laughable, and I don't think they'll take them out of the game so I am working on not getting upset about it.

I read somewhere that there is a gray area of the rule in terms of the QB trying to advance the ball as a runner he is fair game. So who knows, he might not even receive a fine at all.
He lead with his helmet .... clearly a violation of the rules no matter who he was hitting.
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He lead with his helmet .... clearly a violation of the rules no matter who he was hitting.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/24/sp...24helmets.html

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Indeed, despite the league’s controversial threats last month to suspend players for helmet-to-helmet tackles, and four years into revelations of the short- and long-term consequences of football brain trauma, almost every head-on-head collision remains not just condoned but also part of the sport. N.F.L. rules forbid such hits essentially against only quarterbacks or defenseless players, like a receiver making a catch; all others are fair game.
Old article, but basically you cant hit a thrower, or pass catcher. All others are fair game.
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Credit McCoy for coming back in a few plays later, that's a pretty tough hit to take directly to the dome. He said he didn't even remember the hit.
I'm thinking there's nothing about this that warrants crediting anyone involved.

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Browns quarterback Colt McCoy's father, Brad, said today that Colt doesn't remember anything after taking a vicious helmet to helmet hit from Steelers linebacker James Harrison and that he never should've gone back in the game.

Brad McCoy, a lifelong high school football coach who coached Colt all through junior high and high school, said McCoy doesn't remember throwing the interception in the end zone three plays after he jogged back onto the field after missing two plays following the hit. The pick essentially cost the Browns the game and they lost 14-3.
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What pray tell is the diff between college ball and the pros?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shu...rn=nfl-wp13494


...This. Call it a "dirty" hit if you want, but when a QB leaves the pocket, that's the risk he takes.
A QB can't leave the pocket and stay behind the LOS as a passer? It's the passer that's protected ya know.

Harrison has a rep for this.

The ball had clearly left McCoy's hand and Harrison led with his helmet, and made helmet to helmet contact. It was a dirty hit, I hope gets suspended for MULTIPLE games. He's a dirty Muff Hugga!
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Yeah I saw that after I posted earlier. I thought McCoy was showing some toughness, but now it looks like the Browns organization may have handled the whole situation the wrong way. Fines should be sent down to those who are supposed to go through the process implemented for players who are showing concussion like symptoms.
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Nah. I agree with part of the article. They'll fine him, he'll ***** about it, his coaches and team will support him, then everyone will move on.
He is from another era. Basically he's a modern version of Jack Tatum to me. He really doesn't care if he cripples someone on the field.
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And what's up with the title Dread. Colt is in his second year and has been hit hard plenty times before this. I don't get it.
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And what's up with the title Dread. Colt is in his second year and has been hit hard plenty times before this. I don't get it.
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And what's up with the title Dread. Colt is in his second year and has been hit hard plenty times before this. I don't get it.
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Default Re: James Harrison welcomes Colt McCoy to the NFL

I really don't think helmet-to-helmet collisions would be all that bad if they would just use hard foam helmets instead. The tough plastic used makes the hits much more strong and are more likely to cause concussions. I know foam wouldn't look as cool, but at least players wouldn't get hurt as much.
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Yeah I saw that after I posted earlier. I thought McCoy was showing some toughness, but now it looks like the Browns organization may have handled the whole situation the wrong way. Fines should be sent down to those who are supposed to go through the process implemented for players who are showing concussion like symptoms.
Yeah. If you are gonna fine players for hits that cause concussions, then you have to fine medical staffs for allowing a player to re-enter the game with a concussion. Just let Seneca finish the game. Its not like you are going anywhere this year. Shit!
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If that is true then its possible that McCoy suffered a mild concussion if he doesn't remember the hit. I don't credit McCoy one bit for coming back in and I wish the team had held him out. Head injuries are serious business and not taking proper precautions can cut a career and in some cases a life short. Young football players who sustain similar injuries see pros shrugging off head injuries as if they are nothing more than a cut is asking for trouble.

The NFL needs to get serious about head injuries ASAP.
You're not the only one. His dad was/is pretty upset about it.

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"He never should've gone back in the game," Brad told the paper. "He was basically out (cold) after the hit. You could tell by the rigidity of his body as he was laying there. There were a lot of easy symptoms that should've told them he had a concussion. He was nauseated and he didn't know who he was. From what I could see, they didn't test him for a concussion on the sidelines. They looked at his (left) hand."

Brad then pointed out the brief nature of Colt's postgame press conference.

"After the game, the (public relations staff) made sure Colt's interview was brief and he couldn't face the lights in his press conference,'' said Brad. "The TV lights and the Stadium lights were killing him. Why would you say he was fine? That makes it even worse."
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Yeah. If you are gonna fine players for hits that cause concussions, then you have to fine medical staffs for allowing a player to re-enter the game with a concussion. Just let Seneca finish the game. Its not like you are going anywhere this year. Shit!
The NFL has made a joke out of safety issues. They are followed when "convenient" only. They are ignored without consequences.

I'm not Colt's father, but I would be saying the same things:

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Archie Manning isn’t the only NFL dad who’s speaking up this week.

Brad McCoy, the father of Browns quarterback Colt McCoy, has teed off on the team for allowing Colt to return to last night’s game two plays after suffering an apparent concussion.

“He never should’ve gone back in the game,” Brad McCoy told Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “He was basically out [cold] after the hit. You could tell by the ridigity of his body as he laying there. There were a lot of easy symptoms that should’ve told them he had a concussion. He was nauseated and he didn’t know who he was. From what I could see, they didn’t test him for a concussion on the sidelines. They looked at his [left] hand.”

Brad McCoy also echoed something that Will Burge of ESPN 850 in Cleveland reported last night — that Colt McCoy was experiencing sensitivity to light.

“After the game, the [public relations staff] made sure Colt’s interview was brief and he couldn’t face the lights in his press conference,” Brad McCoy said. “The TV lights and the stadium lights were killing him. Why would you say he was fine? That makes it even worse.”

It’s unknown whether and to what extent Colt McCoy was tested for a concussion. (We’ve submitted a list of questions to the team on this point.) Brad McCoy thinks his son wasn’t properly evaluated.

“Josh Cribbs suffered a groin injury earlier in the game and he was out for the rest of the game,” Brad McCoy said. “Colt takes a severe hit like that and he’s back in the game a play later? If he took another blow to the head, we could’ve been talking about his career here.”

Here’s hoping that the media continues to push this issue, that the league fully investigates, and that the situation causes the league to once and for all implement meaningful procedures to ensure that players are properly evaluated after absorbing obviously violent blows to the head.

Let’s also hope the Browns don’t hold Brad McCoy’s comments against Colt, especially as the Browns try to decide what to do at quarterback in 2012.

I’m more hopeful about the first thing I’m hopeful about.
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