P Hartmann torn ACL - Houston Texans Message Board & Forum

srrono · 12-05-2011

per Kubiak IR Hartmann

**kiwitexansfan** · 12-05-2011

Not pleased, hoping it would be something more manageable.

Field position is really important to this team right now and not sure if any of the punters out there will be up to the task.

**Thorn** · 12-05-2011

damn. gotta get a punter fast.

jaayteetx · 12-05-2011

its a damn shame we lose a player to the field conditions, this needs to be rectified, asap.

**HOU-TEX** · 12-05-2011

Please say NO to Turk!!!!!!

GP · 12-05-2011

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Originally Posted by srrono

per Kubiak IR Hartmann

And this....

**disaacks3** · 12-05-2011

No real surprise here, he went down like a sack of potatoes. Hope there's a few decent candidates out there.

...and here I was just thinking how nicely he was booming his punts yesterday.

GP · 12-05-2011

I wonder if it happened during the punt, or it was almost done during the punt...and then the trip on the carpet just finished it off.

I cannot see how a guy jogging, since he was not running at a sprint IIRC, can tear an ACL unless it was weakened maybe during the punt.

Ktexan68 · 12-05-2011

My God, there has to someone else out there better than Turk. The man is old and bad.

**silvrhand** · 12-05-2011

Next Man up.. maybe Cody can punt lol?

GP · 12-05-2011

Every year, a bunch of punters graduate from college or try out and hope to land somewhere.

Is it THAT bad of a crop, year in and year out, that we see punters staying in the NFL until they are 50? It's punting. The football. Punt. The. Ball.

Yeah, yeah, yeah....I know: "But GP, it's a LOT more technical than just punting the ball. The snap, the kick, the trajectory, the spin of the earth, temperature and humidity, blah blah blah..." Spare me, i can hear it from you guys already.

Just go find some kid who is out there like Hartmann was. Find him. It's the job of the Texans to always be looking for these diamonds in the rough. Go find our Prince Ali and shine him up for Princess Jasmine already. DO IT.

steelbtexan · 12-05-2011

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Originally Posted by GP

I wonder if it happened during the punt, or it was almost done during the punt...and then the trip on the carpet just finished it off.

I cannot see how a guy jogging, since he was not running at a sprint IIRC, can tear an ACL unless it was weakened maybe during the punt.

He stepped into one of those seams and tried to change directions. Even at a low rate of speed it was enough to tear up his knee.

That tells you how bad of condition the field was in. They should never play high school/college games on the weekends the Texans are playing at Reliant.

Even if they replace the trays there will be gaps and these gaps will cause more injuries. BoBBy should replace the grass with field turf. I know that it will cost $1 mil. to replace the grass, and BoBBy will pass the cost on to the season ticket holders. But this needs to be done. Imagine if Foster or AJ had torn their ACL because of field conditions. The outcry would've been 10 times as bad as it is now.

steelbtexan · 12-05-2011

How about the P that hit the scoreboard at Cowgirls stadium.

Or one of the Colquitt family. I know one of them got kicked off his college team for drinking problems. But lets just sober him up for a couple of months and go with it.

Or we could do the same with TB.

DX-TEX · 12-05-2011

Let Casey punt!

robroy72 · 12-05-2011

RGIII can punt .....

TexanSam · 12-05-2011

What's Chad Stanley up to these days?

Craig. · 12-05-2011

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Originally Posted by TexanSam

What's Chad Stanley up to these days?

About 6'3"

**disaacks3** · 12-05-2011

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Originally Posted by steelbtexan

He stepped into one of those seams and tried to change directions. Even at a low rate of speed it was enough to tear up his knee.

That tells you how bad of condition the field was in. They should never play high school/college games on the weekends the Texans are playing at Reliant.

Even if they replace the trays there will be gaps and these gaps will cause more injuries. BoBBy should replace the grass with field turf. I know that it will cost $1 mil. to replace the grass, and BoBBy will pass the cost on to the season ticket holders. But this needs to be done. Imagine if Foster or AJ had torn their ACL because of field conditions. The outcry would've been 10 times as bad as it is now.

I still can't believe those seams were anywhere near as bad as the ones in the Astrodome. Those things injured 1/2 our backs during drills in HS.

DocBar · 12-05-2011

The football gods had pity on us and our punter blew his knee out instead of Cush. Which injury made your heart stop, Cush being helped off the field or Hartmann? Maybe the football gods think we've sacrificed enough blood and bodies for one year.

CloakNNNdagger · 12-05-2011

Non contact ACL injuries are common.........in fact 70% are non contact. One of the main theories of mechanism is that the quadriceps causes an anterior vector (pull) on the knee, stressing and potentially disrupting the ACL, whereas the hamstring causes a posterior vector (pull), thereby protecting the ACL. However, when the knee is in 10- 30 % flexion and the foot forcefully hits down in that position in full out sprint, if the quad force/strength is inordinately greater than the hamstring....the tibia is violently forced forward......tearing the ACL..............and who on our team probably has the most powerful quadriceps muscles............and is not used to all out sprinting????????

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kiwitexansfan Bring Him Back Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Age: 35 Posts: 7,903 Rep Power: 7242	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL Not pleased, hoping it would be something more manageable. Field position is really important to this team right now and not sure if any of the punters out there will be up to the task. __________________ All random posts made entirely of smilies courtesy of kiwitexansfanjr -age 4

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Thorn Dirty Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston Section: Restrained in the mental ward Age: 61 Posts: 18,162 Rep Power: 53854	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL damn. gotta get a punter fast. __________________ "Life is tough, but it's tougher when you're stupid." --- John Wayne

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jaayteetx Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Albuquerque,NM Section: 623 Age: 39 Posts: 3,057 Rep Power: 6143	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL its a damn shame we lose a player to the field conditions, this needs to be rectified, asap. __________________ Buck Fud.

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HOU-TEX Ah, Football! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: P-land Age: 42 Posts: 14,143 Rep Power: 19780	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL Please say NO to Turk!!!!!! __________________ "We wanted to make a statement, run the ball and make them like it." - Duane Brown

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disaacks3 Site Contributor Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Spring, TX Section: 116 - Row M Age: 44 Posts: 8,916 Rep Power: 31254	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL No real surprise here, he went down like a sack of potatoes. Hope there's a few decent candidates out there. ...and here I was just thinking how nicely he was booming his punts yesterday. __________________ Adopt-a-Texan 2012 - Ben Tate

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GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL I wonder if it happened during the punt, or it was almost done during the punt...and then the trip on the carpet just finished it off. I cannot see how a guy jogging, since he was not running at a sprint IIRC, can tear an ACL unless it was weakened maybe during the punt. __________________

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Ktexan68 Rookie Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 48	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL My God, there has to someone else out there better than Turk. The man is old and bad.

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silvrhand Site Contributor Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: La Porte, TX Section: 135J 5-8 Age: 38 Posts: 1,783 Rep Power: 4493	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL Next Man up.. maybe Cody can punt lol? __________________ Vance Joseph I was wrong, enjoying the slice of humble pie I've been served. In response to the new Vance Joseph Hiring:

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GP Go Texans! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: TEXAS! Posts: 17,747 Rep Power: 50138	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL Every year, a bunch of punters graduate from college or try out and hope to land somewhere. Is it THAT bad of a crop, year in and year out, that we see punters staying in the NFL until they are 50? It's punting. The football. Punt. The. Ball. Yeah, yeah, yeah....I know: "But GP, it's a LOT more technical than just punting the ball. The snap, the kick, the trajectory, the spin of the earth, temperature and humidity, blah blah blah..." Spare me, i can hear it from you guys already. Just go find some kid who is out there like Hartmann was. Find him. It's the job of the Texans to always be looking for these diamonds in the rough. Go find our Prince Ali and shine him up for Princess Jasmine already. DO IT. __________________

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steelbtexan Hall of Fame Join Date: Feb 2007 Age: 50 Posts: 8,863 Rep Power: 22920	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL How about the P that hit the scoreboard at Cowgirls stadium. Or one of the Colquitt family. I know one of them got kicked off his college team for drinking problems. But lets just sober him up for a couple of months and go with it. Or we could do the same with TB.

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DX-TEX Hall of Fame Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 1,326 Rep Power: 11486	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL Let Casey punt!

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TexanSam Hall of Fame Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Houston Age: 25 Posts: 16,601 Rep Power: 22863	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL What's Chad Stanley up to these days? __________________ Thanks to Premier

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DocBar Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: I'm international Section: Channel 700-ish on NFL Sunday Ticket Age: 43 Posts: 7,223 Rep Power: 17539	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL The football gods had pity on us and our punter blew his knee out instead of Cush. Which injury made your heart stop, Cush being helped off the field or Hartmann? Maybe the football gods think we've sacrificed enough blood and bodies for one year. __________________ “If you take a highly intelligent person and give them the best possible, elite education, then you will most likely wind up with an academic who is completely impervious to reality.” Halton Arp

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CloakNNNdagger Hall of Fame Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 12,454 Rep Power: 43447	Re: P Hartmann torn ACL Non contact ACL injuries are common.........in fact 70% are non contact. One of the main theories of mechanism is that the quadriceps causes an anterior vector (pull) on the knee, stressing and potentially disrupting the ACL, whereas the hamstring causes a posterior vector (pull), thereby protecting the ACL. However, when the knee is in 10- 30 % flexion and the foot forcefully hits down in that position in full out sprint, if the quad force/strength is inordinately greater than the hamstring....the tibia is violently forced forward......tearing the ACL..............and who on our team probably has the most powerful quadriceps muscles............and is not used to all out sprinting????????

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